2008 Buck 223 6/8ths
ElkaHolic
10/28/08 10:55pm
Little buck I took this year with my evil crossbow :)
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LITTLE?!?!?!?! Holy crap!
CONGRATS on a GREAT buck!
Did you get that one here in utah. 10sign:
Wait a minute, your kidding right? That is a SWEET picture.
Again...CONGRATS! What a buck!
Should be the next world Record Black bear shot in Utah. Current record is in Utah, off the Manti unit.
DANG!!!! Beautiful!
Anything else, my friend?! Those are some fine, fine animals, that's for sure.
This is a good reference for you, the arrow is 23" long, click on the image, then click on it again and see it at 600px
Also his skull is over 15" wide Typo on that post
Even though bears only have two measurements, they are often measured incorrectly resulting in hunters that are left disappointed when the final score is given. As I've already stated in some of my prior posts.....it's an AWESOME bear and deer. You should be and most likely are very proud of it. I sure would be!
You have to understand, the numbers given are very hard to comprehend for a bear skull that has the flesh and hide removed......as your black bear would potentially measure 36 8/16".....which would not only break the current B&C world record by over 12" but would also break the world record for Polar Bear, Brown Bear, and Grizzly Bear respectively. I hope it holds up....that would be awesome......and put the bear hunting fraternity in a frenzy! :)
Keep us posted on the outcome.....would love to see you with a true prehistoric type monster bear on the top of the list!
Now having said that, even with those hide measurements that's an AWESOME bear, he's going to go VERY high......you should be pumped! Sounds like a heck of story too!
You can always PM me on how I know you.......and give me the story of the bear......sounds like it got a bit western on you.
That enough Antler yet?
But hey I would gladly help if I could, We, I take kids or people whom are physically challenged on hunts and I swear I left home on Aug 13th, and just got home a few days ago, now this tag come in LOL unreal, gonna have to get a loan out on the house if I get that Lion taken just so I can get all this Taxidermy work done.
BTW that post above shows the kind of nit picking that should just stay out of stuff, It was done on purpose to show how stupid things can get lol
ok here goes Number of points A left, 6 left 6 right
b: tip to tip spread 25.5
C: Greatest Spread is measured between perpendiculars at a right angle to the center line of the skull at widest part, whether
across main beams or points. I measured 32 main beam to main beam, but I could get 34" but I stuck with 32" D: inside spread of main beams is 30"
E: total extra points 6.25
F: Left 27.5 Right 28.5
g1 left 2.5 right 2.5
g2 left 4.25 right 6.25
g3 left 4.25 right 2.0
g4 left 10.5 right 10.25
h1 left 6 right 6
h2 left 5 right 5
h3 left 4 right 3.75
h4 left 4 right 5.5
I did not include the points when I scored it (A) on my sheet, plus this shows 231 4/8ths
add in A and I get another 12 if you add them in(not sure if your supposed to or not) BC sheet, but I did not, heck it's almost 5:00 a.m. so add them up let me know if there is anything you have seen done wrong, I did not keep anybody else's scribbles. I only used my friends numbers in the post, these are my measurements, I rechecked them and they are correct.
I don't really care what it scores, I rounded mine up or down but it was usually within an 1/8 or so, so that's probably the discrepancies on this sheet, can not find the one me and my buddy did together.
and goodluck on that lion... what unit is your lion hunt?
Instructions:
INSTRUCTIONS FOR MEASURING TYPICAL MULE AND BLACKTAIL DEER
All measurements must be made with a 1/4-inch wide flexible steel tape to the nearest one-eighth of an inch. (Note: A flexible
steel cable can be used to measure points and main beams only.) Enter fractional figures in eighths, without reduction. Official
measurements cannot be taken until the antlers have air dried for at least 60 days after the animal was killed.
A. Number of Points on Each Antler: To be counted a point, the projection must be at least one inch long, with length
exceeding width at one inch or more of length. All points are measured from tip of point to nearest edge of beam. Beam tip
is counted as a point but not measured as a point.
B. Tip to Tip Spread is measured between tips of main beams.
C. Greatest Spread is measured between perpendiculars at a right angle to the center line of the skull at widest part, whether
across main beams or points.
D. Inside Spread of Main Beams is measured at a right angle to the center line of the skull at widest point between main
beams. Enter this measurement again as the Spread Credit if it is less than or equal to the length of the longer antler; if
greater, enter longer antler length for Spread Credit.
E. Total of Lengths of all Abnormal Points: Abnormal Points are those non-typical in location such as points originating
from a point (exception: G-3 originates from G-2 in perfectly normal fashion) or from bottom or sides of main beam, or any
points beyond the normal pattern of five (including beam tip) per antler. Measure each abnormal point in usual manner and
enter in appropriate blanks.
F. Length of Main Beam is measured from the center of the lowest outside edge of burr over the outer side to the most
distant point of the Main Beam. The point of beginning is that point on the burr where the center line along the outer side of
the beam intersects the burr, then following generally the line of the illustration.
G-1-2-3-4. Length of Normal Points: Normal points are the brow tines and the upper and lower forks as shown in the
illustration. They are measured from nearest edge of main beam over outer curve to tip. Lay the tape along the outer curve
of the beam so that the top edge of the tape coincides with the top edge of the beam on both sides of point to determine the
baseline for point measurement. Record point lengths in appropriate blanks.
H-1-2-3-4. Circumferences are taken as detailed in illustration for each measurement. If brow point is missing, take H-1 and
H-2 at smallest place between burr and G-2. If G-3 is missing, take H-3 halfway between the base and tip of G-2. If G-4 is
missing, take H-4 halfway between G-2 and tip of main beam.
39.25" total mass measurements- Very Heavy Buck
30" Inside spread- Huge inside spread
56" Main Beams- Very Long
5" g1 total
10.5" G2 total
6.25 " G3 total
20.75 G4 total
6.25" extras
Total score 174"
Greatest spread and tip to tip are just references but they don't count on the score.
Great buck none the less
I think if your mass measurements, inside spread, and main beam lengths are correct- you are looking at about a 188-189" buck. I am just guessing on the G2's with a 16" and 11" measurement. If those are close you are right close to 188-189" which is an awesome buck, especially with a bow.
The outside spread and tip to tip measurements are just for record and not part of the overall score. You just add up the columns on the right of the score sheet.
MTQ is right.......your G2's are much longer than what you have listed, IMO. Additionally, the outside spread, tip-to-tip spread are for statistical data only and do not factor into the score. B&C did this when they designed the system many years ago because they actually thought these animals may be headed to extinction and they wanted the data to refer to.
I've attached your buck photo with a guide for your review to see which points are which. Once you add both sides, the abnormal points (listed as "AB" on the photo), and the inside spread you'll get an overall gross score of antler grown. The official net score would be after subtracting the difference between the two respective sides. (Example-the right side has a G3 but the left side does not, so that would come out to 0/8" for G3)
What I like about this buck is the width and exceptional length of the main beams......just an awesome looking buck. Hope the edited photo helps.
That's a great way to display all the measurements. What program did you use to do that?
You are counting the projection off of the G-2 on the left side as an abnormal point, rather than calling it the G-3? I believe I would score it as the G-3 since it's in approximately the correct location, albeit at an odd angle (but so is the whole G-2 for that matter).
Marvin
BTW the g2 is 18 right and 14 on the left, also there is an AB off the G3 on the right that is over an inch.
I am learning :thumb
Also I am not interested in a net score, I am just a Gross guy lol
The point off of the G2 on the left side appears to come off the side of G2 which would make it an abnormal point. If you look at the three photographs Lynn attached you'll see the point coming off the side. Also, when you look at the overall antler structure, it's natural structure is that of a 3x4 with extras, IMO. It's tough with photos and not seeing the rack in person, but that's how it looks to me.