abuse of the photo section

i agree some of that stuff is getting pretty bad

Glad you guys are the good guys. We try to delete the negative, racist, good for nothing comments. Hard for us to keep up, with everything else we do. We could give a few members login and passwords to the photo section and they could "moderate" and delete any inappropriate comments.

Any takers or interest in this?

Or we could get rid of the comment option all together. We feel in can be very cool benefit, but I don't know if it's worth it with all the negativity and garbage.

I wish we had a filter available, but that is not an currently not an option.

I would be willing to help if you would like. Let me know.

Make them log in before they can comment. That WILL stop someone hiding behind the "guest" feature and the comments will all but cease. Looks like kids have invaded the muley world. :)

BOHNTR )))----------------->

sure, I like the idea of moderators, and I wouldnt mind being one.

If you are still going to do the moderator thing i will gladly hep you.

We can all ensure that the abuse is kept to a minimum by taking a peek now and again and reporting anything that you think shouldn't be there. I have done it a number of times and every time I requested something be looked at it was removed that same day.
I agree with BOHNTR, if we required that someone log on before they are allowed to submit a comment that would keep the cowards from abusing it.
I also would be more than willing to help moderate if need be. This sight is great and everyone should be able to enjoy it like we do and post their pics without some jerk degrading them or putting down thier accomplishments.
If you find anything that you think needs to be looked at just hit the "email" link on the home page and let MULEYMADNESS know what the pic number is and what album it's posted in and it will be looked at.

Hey BOHNTR, I thought you were heading to Arizona for bit of hunting? Have ya already gotten back, haven't gone yet, or am I an idiot and completely in left field here (Last option completely viable).

Ya BOHNTR.....we've all been waiting to hear your story. :)

AGCHAWK:

No, you are not losing your mind. I went for a week and a half to Arizona. Had a few opportunities at some smaller 4x4's (140-150"), but decided to pass for something bigger. Well, I came home empty handed so that tells you how many I saw bigger and had an opportunity at. :) Thank goodness for CA wild hogs and turkey season to keep the bowhunting embers going.

BOHNTR )))----------------->

Man, I was depending on ya to show us few pics of the hog you took. That's cool though, if hunting was easy it wouldn't be so much damn fun! Besides, those 4x4s will be that much bigger next year.

so, were we going to put the moderator plan into action or just mention it and forget it? just wondering, lol PM me if you need one(one meaning a moderator)

"rYAN" wrote:you are all gay quite complaning

and maybe we should put a filter or something in the forums, because some little children feel like big guys saying things and hiding behind a computer hundreds of miles away, they also can't spell well

Did PETA get into the site. Every Mountain Lion post has something complaining that we shot a poor defensless animal. :x

I saw that and replied to same. As you saw by my statements, certainly don't agree with what was posted and think it's rather ridiculous but everyone is entitled to thier opinions I guess, provided that they are not vulger, rude, or demeaning.
What I don't get is that the whole idea of what we do upsets these individuals yet they took the time to look through the entire photo section to pick out certain pictures (i.e. cougars). I certainly would not spend the time on a site that promotes anything that I don't care for!

After giving it much thought, I went back and deleted those comments. After all, if you read the warning when you attempt to post a message on one of the pictures it specifically states: "Caution: No foul, obscene, vulgar, sexually oriented, hateful, threatening, or abusive language is allowed when posting comments. Also no advertising, and links to other websites. Thanks MuleyMadness Management"! I decided that although they where boarderline, they were rather hateful and abusive.
By the way, if anyone else finds inappropriate comments let me know. I tried to go through the vast majority of the photos to clean them up but may have missed one or two. I am not going to weed through all the comments questioning whether or not the animal was "big enough" or if they are worth posting, just the comments that fall into one of the catergories above. Thanks.

I am new to you site and enjoyed it very much, that was until I got to photos section. To put it bluntly the comments made by some of the posters make me not want to return. They are absolutely ridiculous and take away something from your otherwise great site. Why do you allow such negative remarks and inappropriate comments? Being a web designer by trade and having a deer hunting website of my own I know how many hundreds of hours have went into creating this site. It really surprises me that you let such negative posts be made and then let them remain. After all when it comes down to it it's is a reflection on you. I am sure there are many viewers of your site that feel the same way that I do.

I realize you are probably putting a ridiculous amount of hours into this website for very little return but since the site is on-line it seems to me your owe the hunters who take the time to contribute their photos (after all they are a major part of your site) a place where their photos can be enjoyed by hunters who appreciate them, and not ridiculed and laughed at. Its obvious that quit a few of the regulars enjoy insulting people and care only about big horns. Is this really the way you want your site to be viewed. Not to mention that many of the posts have nothing to do with the deer pictured, they are just personal attacks on the hunter or another poster.

There are many things that can be done to prevent such comments. Number one is to make it perfectly clear that such negative comment will not be allowed and anyone who post such comments will be banned from the board. This is a simple thing to do by blocking their computers ISP number from posting. Every message board I have ever used has had this option. It will also prevent people from using fake e-mail address to hide their identity. Many of the negative posts come from the same people, they don't even bother trying to conceal there identity because they know nothing will be done about it. If you do this I am sure a few of them will bring up the "free speech" and "this is America, you cant do that" line but in the long run it will definitely be to your benefit. After all you are a deer hunting site and not a collage campus and YOU make the rules

Getting a bunch of moderators involved isn't the answer. Why should anyone have to waste there time watching over a bunch of ungrateful children. Just kick them off the site. It would take a while to figure out all of the ISP numbers that should be banned but it would be well worth it. You could start by entering the ISP numbers that have been logged already. Most people don't realize that every computer has its own individual number, making it very easy to block whoever is making the negative comments. I think it is also unfortunate that the current moderator can't take the time to "weed through" and remove all the "comments questioning whether or not the animal was "big enough" or if they are worth posting" and instead is just removing "the comments that fall into one of the categories the site has currently chosen to enforce". How about adding a new category that includes words like "common sense" and "be respectful"

Another option is to use the "foul language filter" that probably comes with your message board. This will let you replace selected words with words of your choice. For some reason people quickly tire of using inappropriate language when it is automatically replaced with warm fuzzy words like "schoonkie" and "teddy bear'.

Of course this is your website and you have to do, what you have to do, I just hate seeing such a great site being ruined by a few individuals who could obviously care less about that the integrity of your website. Imagine how many hunters haven't even bothered posting their photos because they don't want to be laughed at. Don't get me wrong I like big antlers as much as the rest of you and have taken my share of big bucks but in the real world, everyone doesn't have the opportunity to kill big bucks and big antlers are not all hunting is about

http://www.muleymadness.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Elk01&id=ek_1new

im still amazed by the replys people are leaving. the above is an example of a dumb ass response. if i had posted that animal and got a response like that, i would ask that the picture be removed. something seriously needs to be done about this. Enough of us have offered to help but I agree basic moderation wont fix the problem. In my oppinion, this site needs to enforce logins in order to leave feed back. most people now days have high speed internet. that inturn makes for a static IP which would make one computer easy to track by the admin on this site. if that person abuses, attacks, or unjustly leaves feed back that would be considered improper to a reasonable person, they should be banned from the site. I understand that would not completely keep the same person from returning...but it would be easy to single out the people who are leaving these posts/responses. Its unfortunate that some people have to be so immature. The PETA issue may not be that for off base. I again offer any help that I can give to this site. I think its a great site and like coming here to read all the posts and learn from other hunters.

Buckhunter33, browtine, & others.

1st off thanks for the posts, good to hear your opinion expressed. You bring up some important issues and they are very valid.

The 1st thing to realize is that our "photo section" is completely different than a forum or message board. It doesn't have the option of filters to remove foul language like a forum. Our forum does have this and it's in place and functioning fine.

2nd thing is there is no way to ban users according to there IP addresses, once again a forum is much more complicated and detailed than our "photo section". I cannot simply ban them, trust me, I wish I could.

3rd thing, yes I can add a new section that explains using common sense, respect, dignity, etc. However that will do little good for those who have none.

4th thing, our current moderator is doing a fine job. He just barely received his login info a few days ago. We will be adding more moderators very shortly.

5th thing, we are going to try the moderators option before our only other choice, which is to ban all users from posting comments. We feel the positive comments can be a very good and beneficial when used properly of course. So we will moderate it very heavily and closely and see if we can't clean up the crap. If not, we will ban all comment posting period. The reason we haven't done so is a little complicated, but no one wants to spend time obtaining a user name, pass, and then logging in to add a comment or post a quesion about a particular picture. If we haven't done such a great job in the future, we will do better.

5th thing, yes we spend an unbelievable amount of time, money, etc. working on this site. Many people have no clue the amount of time that an extensive site requires, some do, a lot of people don't. Yes, I can't understand why people love to trash others either.

Last thing, yes we do owe the hunters and viewers who do submit there photos. We will try and clean this up, okay we WILL clean this up.

Thanks for the views and opinion from the good guys out there!! Let us know if you have other opinons or suggestions that are better.

Buckhunter33, by the way, what is your hunting site?

Buckhunter33/browtine, Just to reinterate what Muleymadness posted, I spent about an hour and a half just yesterday weeding through the photos to try and clean up/delete the inappropriate comments that were scattered throughout the albums. I don't mind doing it though. In fact I took on the job because I enjoy doing it, I enjoy the site, and I want everyone that visits it to also enjoy it. However, if anyone finds a comment that I may have missed please feel free to email me and let me know. I will have my email address posted in my profile.
I work in a major computer center for the US Navy and I can tell you, just as you and others have posted, it takes A LOT of time and money to put in some of the filters, blockers, firewalls, etc that have been suggested. I think if we work together we can do this the cheap way so that Muleymadness can concentrate on other things...like keeping this site up and running for those of us that visit.
Thanks for your concerns and I will do my best to make sure that the idiotic and nasty comments are kept off the site.

Sorry all, that last post was mine. Doesn't do a lot of good if I don't log on first now does it!

AGCHAWK:

I'm sorry you have to do all of that.......AND work for the Navy. :) Hey, you know how many sailors it takes to.........Oh never mind. Thanks for cleaning up the photo section.

BOHNTR )))--------------------->

this is a little off topic , but this is the most replies any thread on here has gotten. alot of people browse through but no one replies.

BOHNTR, I guess I deserve that one after the drive-thru comments....I can take it as well as I can dish it out.
No problem my friend. It's actually a bit relaxing. When I get a little stressed out at work I log on and do the "dirty work".
Your right "bigger".....Some topics sure stir up the hornets nest don't they?! To be honest with ya, I got a mouth on me that would put most of these comments to shame (I've been a sailor for 15 years after all). Kinda funny how it all works out ay?

DID IT AGAIN! The last post was mine (Darn kids keep logging me off the computer!).

hey guys,
just joined the site yesterday, i have been coming in for quite some time as a guest and i even submitted a couple photos. but yesterday i decided to become a registered user so i could pass on some of my opinions. i am an old school type of person. the way that i see things when it comes to hunting is as long as i feel that i tried my hardest, was up long before the sun came up, didn't return until long after she had set, then no matter what i came home with i had a successful hunt season. i repect my country, i repect my animals, and i repect the fact that there has to be laws to govern all of these things. which is exactly why i posted this message on this board because no matter where you go, no matter what you do, no matter who you are,,,,,,,,,,,,, there will always , always, always be ignorant people. i will leave it at that IGNORANT!!!!!!!! there is absolutely nothing we can do to change that, they are everywhere we are, everywhere we have been and everywhere we will go. it makes me mad just like it makes most people around here mad but that is just life, i try to bite my tongue. keep up the good work, you guys rock.

in regards to my last post, what i was trying to get at is that although most people will only commend a man/woman on a hunt well done. no matter if the animal they are posting is to each of our own standards. personally that is besides the point, the point of posting the photos to show off something we are proud of. and although most people are good you will have people that just can't keep their mouths shut and so someone has to have "laws" or "rules" to govern them because of ignorance. anyway after i put my two pictures on the photos section the very next day there was a bunch of negative crap about my deer and my buddies deer and it down right made me so mad, but what can you do. i will tell you one thing it took me a long time to come back to this site and although most all people have nothing good intentions there were a few that almost ruined it for me. also, i have got a ton, like three photo albums of good hunting photos but i really don't think i will ever post another photo to this site. although i am a huge fan of this site.

WYMULEYMAN, yea some of the comments we get in the photo section sure show the intelligence level of others at times. I've been the moderator of the photo section for a short time and have made a concerted effort to cleaned it up, although every once in a while another one will pop up. If you run across any let MULEYMADNESS or myself know and we'll take care of it. I certainly can't stand it when someone feels the need to put someone elses accomplishments down to make themselves feel better. We'll keep on top of it though and make sure that everyone feels they can post what THEY are proud of without fear of some idiot posting derogatory comments.

i went through my replies in this section this morning and i think i owe you, muleymadness. someone an apology! this site rocks and you guys are right on top of things and no matter what one person thinks of my acomplishments i can rest assured that there are alot of good people on this site to pass on my photos and stories.

speaking of which, i have a good one for you right know. o.k. i am only 25 now and this happened when i was like 20 or 21. my buddy and i were hunting a unit north of rawlins called green mountain. anyways this unit is somewhat of a later hunt for south wyoming as it does not open until the 15th of october which is pretty late in wyoming. most folks are out hunting elk in the forest south of rawlins but only those die hard deer fans are still up on green chasing the gray ghost. so it was snowing,BAD!!!!!!!! it had dropped about 7 inches in a matter of like 45 minutes and my buddy and i had been hunting hard all week so we decided to just head back to town. so i had him stop so i could make natures calling and i looked up on the side hill and there was a small four point standing there, when i say small i mean he scored 172B&C. after i dropped him we jumped the creek and drug the deer to the truck, while we were sitting there taking pictures these guys from another state, i won't mention the state to save face with anyone on this site from that state, and the jumped out of there trucks and started making comments about the size of my deer. man i was irritated, here i was just minding my own business trying to take some pictures of my muley and this son of a #$&%* tells me what a sorry deer this was. now the funny part of the whole story is that i know what the dude was really thinking, man this young kid just shot one of the biggest deer to come off this mountain this season and know i have to stand here and let him rub it in my face. i was so proud of that deer as my buddy and i put many miles on our feet that week without seeing anythings but a few small forkies. it was one of the most welcome deer i have shot even to this day. and this story just shows the ignorance of some people.
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WYMULEYMAN,

1st off, Welcome aboard! I'm glad you registered and are expressing your opinions. Thanks

2nd, sorry about any negative comments on your photos, AGCHAWK is our current moderator and has done an excellent job. Hope you don't get any more garbage comments and you still send us your big buck photos and stories. :D

Keep up the good work!!

hey guys im just replyin to say im support you guys 110 percent, i jus love to hunt i've been huntin as long as i could walk or maybe even before that. there has been times where i have came back with nothing but that doesnt matter because i love the hunt and crave it. i walk or 4 wheel or even horseback ride to go huntin, it's my favorite thing to do and wouldnt trade it for the world. i respect the land i hunt on and i respect the animals i hunt because they put food on the table and keep me out of trouble. theres nothing wrong if you got a 2 point or a big wallhanger because i'd say if the person hunted an gave all they got to get that two point they should be just as proud as the guy gettin the wallhanger. you all rock and i love the photos you send in and if i can get mine up on here i will let you see some of my photos as well