Aspen trees

I have only been to South Western Colorado bow hunting one time about 3 years ago. I did not know much about elk hunting then and i dont know much more than i did now. So i dont know much about elk sign and other than tracks, rubs, droppings sorth of the things a white tailed deer leaves. I really dont know what to look for. And wallows.

One thing i saw alot of was bite marks on the aspen trees or anyhow that is what i was told it was. I was told that elk would eat the bark of aspen trees ? Is that true ? I only found one aspen tree where alot of the bark had been eaten off of it. But i found lots of trees where it looked like they just took a bite out of.

And even though the marks looked fresh i was told that they were old marks.
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did ya'l know that a group of aspen trees is one living organisum. Aspen the town has the biggest living organisum wich is larger then the great barier reef in Astralia. so see i do pay attencion in school!
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I did not know that ! That is pretty cool, so a stand of aspen trees has like the same root system ?
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its all canected together to make one larg living thing.
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Hiker
One thing i saw alot of was bite marks on the aspen trees or anyhow that is what i was told it was. I was told that elk would eat the bark of aspen trees ? Is that true ? I only found one aspen tree where alot of the bark had been eaten off of it. But i found lots of trees where it looked like they just took a bite out of.

And even though the marks looked fresh i was told that they were old marks.
Yes elk will eat quakies, especially in the winter when the snow is deep. Sometimes they'll just take a few bites out of one tree and other times they'll get serious and really eat it.
Couple things to assist you in your elk education, as there's a lot to learn. I've been hunting them for 20 years, read a lot about them but my best lessons have been in the field hunting them.
Keep in mind....elk like it cool and will try to stay in black timber and gambrel oak draws. If no black timber is avaliable, elk like to stay in the aspen trees. Usually they'll bed on the north side of the mountain where the thicker, larger trees are. Personally I like to hunt the edges of black timber, glassing the edges and moving along covering a lot of ground. I like to stay in the timber and keep the wind in my face, if the wind changes, I change my direction, so the wind is always in my face. I like to use a white powder puffer to check the wind.
In most of the areas I hunt I see a lot of sign, beds, droppings..etc in the aspen trees but have learned that much of that sign was from night time, when the elk where feeding and now the elk are headed to or already in the black timber. There's a ton of info that could be typed out on the computer, I hope that helps a little. Get some good books on elk hunting and that will help you. Eastman has one that I enjoyed called Elk Hunting the West, the Eastman way. I read one a while back from Bob Dodd, or something like that, I think it was called The Ultimate Guide to Elk Hunting. It has some chapters from some really good hunters.
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That's some great info right there Hiker! I never knew that little tidbit either.
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Thanks Hiker, is quakies another name for aspen trees ? I have a very small herd of cattle and since i went on that one elk hunting trip. I have offten thought that elk and cattle might have some of the same habbits ?

My cattle will seek out the coolest spots in the summer months and even the winter win it is a little warm out. And i am surprised at how hard it is to find them when they are in these cool areas.

And these places are mostly at the edges of open pastures with very few places to hid. I can see where it would be easy for elk to hid out in dark timber or aspen thickets.
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ya quakies is another name. you will hear that alot when it comes to aspens
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Coloradobuck, what part of CO is gypsum in ?
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about 45 minuts due west of vail on I-70.
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TheGreatwhitehunter
The famous Eagle county Top B&C Producer

where Colorado Buck lives
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Is that near the weminuchie wilderness area ? I was bowhunting in South West Co near Villia Grove Co.
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waynedevore
Roybram, I think Aspen "quakies" are a favorite food of Elk. Mostly a Winter forage. Often in Wintering areas the Aspen will have stunted more bushy look. Elk are pruning constantly, but mostly during the months of snow cover.
And for sure will eat the bark, mostly during hard times. Elk for the most part will prefer grasses.

I think mostly in the early Fall Elk will mainly feed in openings where the bunch grasses are. Early mornings and just before dark, depending on hunting pressure. Then head into heavy shade during the day. If the weather is windy and cold Elk will find the best shelter available.

Elk wallows, can be puddles, springs, marshy areas, stuff like that. Good indication bulls are nearby. Smell, you can smell a active wallow for a ways. Smell something like strong barnyard. Once you get a scent you will never forget. Usually a small depression filled with smelly, muddy water.
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You know i am glad you guys told me about elk eating quakies alot during the winter during snow drifts. :) Because that explains how some of thoes bite marks were so high up on the trees :)

When i saw some of thoes bite marks i was thinking to myself that man that was one big elk ! :)) I thought that must have been a big bull to reach that high up ! :)

Boy you talk about feeling like a fool ! :)
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yep next to one of the most popular ski reasorts in the world!
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"Coloradobuck" wrote:yep next to one of the most popular ski reasorts in the world! :>/ and i hate it!!!! :222
You lost me on this reply ?
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killerbee
ya, kinda lost me too :-k :-k
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southwind
Easy there Coloradobuck you need to count your blessings you wake up everyday in the Rocky Mountains. :thumb Soak up every moment because it could be much worse.
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NONYA
Many of those high up chew marks you are seeing on the quaking aspens are probably where the porkies have chewed the bark off.I have watched porkypines eat the bark off of them before,they peal it back and chew it off bite by bite. :222
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i'm talking about the ski resort.
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proutdoors
Aspen trees contain some of the same chemicals as aspirin. Elk with gnaw on a tree when they don't feel well more often than when they are hungry, although they love young sapling aspen as a preferred foodsource during all times of the year. This is one reason you can find elk in areas that have had fires in the last few years, lots of young aspen to munch on. Porcupines will on occasion gnaw on apsen, but it is not a preferred foodsource for them. One reason for the bite marks high up on the tree is the tree has grown since the bite(s) took place. There was an article in a Bugle magazine a few years back on this very subject.

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proutdoors, thanks very much for the information. That is very educational.

The other name for aspens "quakies" is it a representation of something else ? I mean how did they come up with quakies as another name for aspens ?
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killerbee
if you ever see them when it's a little breezy or even when you cant really feel the wind their leaves shake really fast and the whole tree looks as if it is quaking or shivering.thus the name "QUAKING ASPEN" in northern new mexico we would have ranches that would have stands of aspen that would be hundreds of acreas. they are pretty cool to hunt in unless your there after they drop their leaves then it's just really loud! we could see "scars" on them where old sheep herders in the early 1900's would carve a name and date and maybe a picture. it was really cool!
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killerbee
"Coloradobuck" wrote:i'm talking about the ski resort.
oh ya, and still dont follow??? :dumb i keep reading through the whole post and i'm not getting it?? maybe a little more explanation??
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killerbee, thanks for explaining that to me. I had never seen an aspen tree until i went bowhunting that time. They are really pretty trees.

I found where alot of people had carved their names and the dates they were there into them also. I meant to do that myself while i was there but i forgot all about it.

killerbee i am like you i am still lost on the ski resort to. :)
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i was posting a reply to what TheGreatwhitehunter said. sorry if i confused ya
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waynedevore
"proutdoors" wrote:Aspen trees contain some of the same chemicals as aspirin. Elk with gnaw on a tree when they don't feel well more often than when they are hungry, although they love young sapling aspen as a preferred foodsource during all times of the year. This is one reason you can find elk in areas that have had fires in the last few years, lots of young aspen to munch on. Porcupines will on occasion gnaw on apsen, but it is not a preferred foodsource for them. One reason for the bite marks high up on the tree is the tree has grown since the bite(s) took place. There was an article in a Bugle magazine a few years back on this very subject.

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Ummmm, No trees stretch up so to speak (???) not like weeds :-k The old growth is completely stationary. Does not extend upward at all on perennial
woody growth. The vertical growth is 100% annual. :thumb
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NONYA
AND our porkies prefer aspens to anything else on the mountian,if you find a small patch of aspens in an evergreen area and there are porkies within 10 miles you will find them there during the winter and ALL the aspens will have been chewed on by them,from the base of the tree to the topmost branches that will support their weight.There is a small patch back behind the house that I call porkie central,once there is snow on the ground they gather there and stay all winter. :222
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Coloradobuck, dont be sorry, i was just lost as to what you were talking about. When you get as old as i am sometimes it is hard to follow along. :) i thought i might have missed something. :)
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NONYA, does porkies climb trees ? I have never seen a porkie pine. :) I dont know nothing at all about them.
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porkie pines do climb trees.
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"Coloradobuck" wrote:porkie pines do climb trees.
Really !

Does Co have porkie pines ?
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ya we do. my dad and grandma ran one over! we also have wolverines.
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NONYA
Heres a pic of one up in a tree on our Augusta ranch,its mostly open prarie except for the windrows planted by the settlers back in the day.You should see the trail they leave in deep snow,it looks like a mini snow plow came through.
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You know i seen a picture of a dog that had met up with a porkie and it was unreal at all of the quils that porkie had stuck into the face, head, chest, sholders of that dog.

Thoes porkies can do some serious damage. I dont think i would want to accidently walk up on one to close ? Will the quil a human ? How big do they get ? Are there lots of them ? Do the reproduce in big numbers ?

Thanks for the picture NONYA, neat picture ! :)
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porcie pines dont shoot the quils. you have to tuch them. and if you touch one then you get quiled. but you dont have to worry about them shootn quils at ya :thumb
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Well i wonder how that dog in the picture got all of thoes quils in it. :-k The picture might have been a fake ?
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killerbee
i believe i seen that same picture, it was a white and some other color pit bull just loaded up with quills. i believe the dag was trying to bite the porky pine or fight it or deffinatly making it very mad but there were thousands of wuills in its face chest area.
you dont have to worry about them though, they only move like 1 MPH you could get on your hands and knees and crawl to outrun them. so you really would have to be almost trying to get quilled for it to happen.
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killerbee, that was the picture ! Do you think that could have really happened to that dog or do you think it was a photoshoped picture(fake) ?
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bigbuck92
my dogs use to get into them all the time and ya ive seen the pic with the pitbull and i think its real. my dogs have never got it that extreme though but i tell ya what it sucks pulling them outa there face especially the deep deep ones
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they can stick alot of quils in ya. my cousion had bout 75-100 quils when he had a run in with one. more like a sit on with one
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NONYA
I had a springer male that would tear into them,we had to take him to the vet to get quills out of is throat several times,We have also had our cattle get a face full of them,those two reasons are why I kill every one of the little spiney bas tards I see,after paying the vet bills you would too. :222 :333 :1
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killerbee
"NONYA" wrote:I had a springer male that would tear into them,we had to take him to the vet to get quills out of is throat several times,We have also had our cattle get a face full of them,those two reasons are why I kill every one of the little spiney bas tards I see,after paying the vet bills you would too. :222 :333 :1
:)) i think i would shoot the dog first if he couldn't learn after the first time :222
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waynedevore
The biggest fear for a hunting dog in N MN is porcupines.

What happen is, The dog is curious goes up for a sniff, the porky can't throw quills but, can flick his 6-12 inch tail. Hits the dog right in the face. More aggressive dogs then bit at the porky compounding the problem. It is a real bad mess. Sometimes just a pliers is needed. But often a emergency trip to the Vet and the dog is but under to remove quills. [been there]

We have to many up here, and they are on my kill list whenever possible.
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