BOHNTR- scoring question
killerbee
3/13/11 7:16pm
heres my question, Typical elk, B&C scoring- inside spread:
so in my understanding, the inside spread must be taken parrallel to the skull, in between the main beam, also cannot exceed length of shortest main beam.
probably most common would be the inside spread would "GENERALLY" be in the area of the g-4's.( not taken from the g-4's themselves, just that area of the beams)
in this situation, the bull keeps flairing out. he's around 34 inches in the g-4 area, but the beams keep going out, and measures 38 4/8 about an inch before the tips of the main beam. ( still INSIDE spread)
so what is the rule?
as far as i read, the measurement must be taken between the main beams, and parrallel to the skull cap. the main beams are 50" so that shouldn't factor in. Is there any reason why the spread credit wouldn't be 38 4/8?
i could post a picture or two if that helps,( and those numbers are off the top of my head, close but i could be 1/8 or 2 off)
thanks-brian
so in my understanding, the inside spread must be taken parrallel to the skull, in between the main beam, also cannot exceed length of shortest main beam.
probably most common would be the inside spread would "GENERALLY" be in the area of the g-4's.( not taken from the g-4's themselves, just that area of the beams)
in this situation, the bull keeps flairing out. he's around 34 inches in the g-4 area, but the beams keep going out, and measures 38 4/8 about an inch before the tips of the main beam. ( still INSIDE spread)
so what is the rule?
as far as i read, the measurement must be taken between the main beams, and parrallel to the skull cap. the main beams are 50" so that shouldn't factor in. Is there any reason why the spread credit wouldn't be 38 4/8?
i could post a picture or two if that helps,( and those numbers are off the top of my head, close but i could be 1/8 or 2 off)
thanks-brian
5,063
Now here's the exception to this rule. If the main beams have a sharp outward change in direction it's called excess divergence of the beams. In this case, the inside spread measurement must be taken at the location prior to the divergence.
If you've ever seen any of John McClendon's elk videos from Arizona there was a bull they named "Twister"......a classic example of excessive divergence. When the bull was measured "officially" it lost a several inches due to this exception rule. Hope it helps and isn't too confusing.
Feel free to post a photo if it helps.
i'm waiting on a quik email then i will post up a picture or two to get your opinion.
thanks for the help
let me know what you think
kinda crummy pics, if you need better ones i'll take em' from my living room
Congrats!! :thumb
you sure those mains are only 50?? What a sweet looking bull, hard to find a better looking bull IMO
but basically, my buddy drew a decent tag in oregon, so me and another buddy went along to help.
hunted a bull for 3 days untill another guy killed it.
got up the next morning to go look for another bull to hunt, i spotted this guy feeding in 1 small opening in a dirty thick hillside. we RAN 2 miles to get set up to shoot. my buddy- justin( the guy in the pics) made a great shot and it was done.
AWSOME hunt, and the help of some buddies that REALLY knew the area was the difference!
good news:i got the hunt INCLUDING the kill on video :thumb
BAD news: I'm to stupid to figure out how to get that video off my hard drive of the camera onto a disk or the web ](*,)
I bet that is some sweet video!!! Hopefully your able to get it so we all can see
Let us know what the tape stretches on that guy, more so out of curiosity. Im not sure how anyone can pass a bull up like that unless he already has 10 on the wall like him
this is a great bull, ESPECIALLY for oregon.
and it couldn't have happend to a better guy, well other than me i suppose..... lol ( j/k)
as for the score? well, we'll see what BOHNTR has to say. i dont care what the number is, i just want it to be correct.
That bull is simply awesome! 10sign: 10sign:
What camera where you using to film it with? what format is it recorded on. Mini DV tape or 8mm or flash or??
I remember the whole story to, but man forgot what a pretty bull that is.
KB:
It's hard to tell by the smaller photos, but from what I can see the left main beam appears to have excess divergence, as it suddenly sweeps outward. If that's the case, the inside spread measurement would be taken at the point where the divergence begins, parallel with the skull at a right angle.
i learned something new :thumb
i can see where the bull does turn outward.
so is there a deffinate line of whats excessive and what isn't? or is it more of a scorers discretion thing?
as for the others, i'm a real dummy at most of this stuff. i tried to re-size the pictures BIGGER, but couldn't get the pic resize program to make them any bigger. any ideas?
and as far as the video, thats even worse. we've had this video camera for 2 yrs. it has a built in hard drive, no tapes, no disk, nothing. well , so basically- every video i've ever used it for is still on it and i dont know how to get them off of it.
it's a cool camera, it has a very clear 35X OPTICLE zoom( and like 2500X digital, which is worthless) so i got awsome footage of this elk hunt AND the sheep hunt. any ideas?
if anyone wants to read the whole story , here it is:
Again, the photo is tough to say for sure........but it appears the left beam does sharply turn outward.