callin em out

I've been going on the mountain everyday callin bulls trying to get some good video and get my buddys dad a big bull. but theres one problem, we only see the little bulls and the bigger ones wont come out of the trees. I cow call here and there after they bugle but I get nothing. so when the cow calling dont work we bugle and all the do is bugle back but still wont come out. what can we do to get them to come out for a shot?
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you need to use an esterus sound to get the Big ones fired up enough to come have a peek...you can only use an open reed call to do this as the mouth reed or other types just dont make the sound well enough to fool a monster bull.
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Shedfreak88
what is the best call that makes a esterus sound?? i have a primose double reed mouth call and the houche mama.
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DeadI
IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE AREA YOUR IN. IF THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE OUT CALLING GOOD LUCK. THEY ARE PROBABLY BECOME A LITTLE CALL SHY.
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NONYA
DO NOT bugle,herd bulls will just grab their cows and move out.Cow calling may work but you will be better off stalking if you want a herd bull,hes not going to leave his harem and come out of the timber to fight,thats what satallite bulls do.
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Sorry Nonya. :-$ ..but I have proved that theory wrong too many times....you just have to "beg" when you cow call...its all in the technique and how desprite you can sound... :thumb
I use the Carlton Fighting Cow and Primos Single...but any of the open reed calls will work if you work at it and DO NOT make a duck noise at the end.. :>/
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Shedfreak88
I think that i sound pretty much like a cow with my primose double reed.
do I need to hold my sound out for a certian amount of time? does it matter?
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killerbee
"wapiti67" wrote:Sorry Nonya. :-$ ..but I have proved that theory wrong too many times....you just have to "beg" when you cow call...its all in the technique and how desprite you can sound... :thumb
I use the Carlton Fighting Cow and Primos Single...but any of the open reed calls will work if you work at it and DO NOT make a duck noise at the end.. :>/
DO NOT bugle,herd bulls will just grab their cows and move out.Cow calling may work but you will be better off stalking if you want a herd bull,hes not going to leave his harem and come out of the timber to fight,thats what satallite bulls do.
 hate to say it but, your both a little right and wrong. it's way different on those LE hunts vs normal elk hunting:NONYA is right on with in normal situations where there isn't such an enormouse bull to cow ratio, as in utah LE units, calling isn't always the most effective. and i dont care how good of a caller a person thinks he is, if the bulls not ready, he's not coming! BUT on these LE hunts and other great units around the different states WAPITI67 is right on as well: you can call those suckers very consistantly! it all depends on where your hunting at
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Shedfreak88
Hunting monroe ut.
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We had to go in and follow the bugles. Get the wind in your favor and slowly sneak in. Those bigger bulls are with cows and are not coming out unless the cows do. Any you know how thick that Black Jungle is down there.

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Not to get off topic or anything, but I was at the Grand Canyon last week and I heard my first elk bugles (I'm from the part of Pennsylvania that doesn't have elk). What a sound! It almost sent chills down my spine!

Anyway, sorry to hijack this thread.
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NONYA
GST I get that feeling EVERY time I hear it,its a primal response to the sound that reminds us we ARE WILD! :222 BTW my father tells me the only other sound he has heard in the wild that gives him the same feeling was roaring lions in Africa.
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A turkey's gobble kinda gives me that feeling also.
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hound_hunter
ROARING LIONS IN AFRICA!!!!! Please tell me you have some pictures!? Did he go on a hunting safari over there or was he there for something else? We gotta hear some stories or somethin man
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Jim Shockey actually wrote a good article about this in American hunter several months (maybe more than a year) back.
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I don't know aboutAfrican lions but I've heard mtn. lions(cougers for some) scream and it put s the fear into me. I feel real small and helpless even when armed. Both times it was around sundown. An elk bugel on the other hand is totaly different for me still sends chills down your spine but full of excitement. wow!!
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Yeah, I think they are 2 completely different feelings. Hearing a bugle or gobble send a shiver down my back that is almost spiritual (not to sound like a hippy or anything). On the other hand, a lions roar, or my wife yelling at me, sends a shiver of blood chilling fear down my back. :-$
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