E- Collars ???

are ya talkin about those shock collars. if ya are i would turn down the setting on that baby if ya got one. i got one once and wanted to make sure it wouldnt cause my dog any pain. so stupid me had to test it his self. let me just tell ya i wouldnt ever put one on my dog. i know how they feel.lol

A E-Collar is the only way to go. I personaly have the Sportdog 1800, costs around 240-250. But worth every penny. I have a german shorthair, and every once in awhile she will get stubborn. However with that collar on she is a completly different dog. I hardly have to use it when it is on her.

The sportdog 1800 is nice, you have aprox 16 levels of stimulation, and can control up to 3 dogs if you wanted to. Completly waterproof.

I shoped around for awhile for mine, looking at all the brands and for the money I don't think you can go wrong.

Tritronics are reall nice to but are a bit more pricy.

I have a collar that's made by innotek that was $170.00 it has 12 levels I think and is waterproof so it's great to have in the marsh. Later if you want you can by just the collar for a second dog and the controler will run both of them on their own settings.

He's not doing too bad but he just ignores me every now and then. He does ok at stay and here. He gets so excited that he will creep forward on the stay/sit as you will See in this video. I hope he gets better with age. :thumb

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looks like a great dog Rob

My year old black lab pup had the same problem. I am getting a colar too.

Tri-Tronics are the best and can be picked up used at a good price. I've also heard good things about the Sport Dog, but I have no personal experience with them.

E-collars are a great tool but they aren't a magic cure all. A collar should only be used to enforce commands that your dog already knows. They aren't meant to train a dog, only to correct your dog for not obeying the known command. Collar conditioning is an important step in his training.

It sounds like your 8 month old is still acting like a puppy. That's becuase he is a puppy! It sounds more like an obedience issue than a stubborn teenage issue.

If you're having a problem with your 8 month old dog not returning to you, use a check cord for now. A 30' to 50' check cord is a great tool. Until your dog is reliable with the return, keep him on a check cord. Wear gloves too. Rope burns are painful... ask me how I know! You can buy one, or you can make your own. A 3/8" braided rope with a clip on one end and a knot on the other end is all you need.

A couple of great books are Smartwork by Evan Graham and 10 Minute Retriever by John and Amy Dahl. Buy either of those and you'll be way ahead of your dog in no time!

Here's a link to the Dahls book: http://www.amazon.com/10-Minute-Retriever-Obedient-Enthusiastic-Minutes/dp/1572233036

Yep what Mark said. You will notice with time and the proper correction he will turn into a darn fine hunt dog.

i have a cheap innotek $150 model, i always put it on my lab, funny thing is i charge it once at the beginning of the season and when it goes dead it never gets turned on again for the whole year, just putting the coller tells the dog that its time to behav and i dont even have to worry about the shock any more. i deffinatly think alot of people use them wrong, it is very important to just use it when the dog nows what he is doing is wrong. alot of times it is the owner confusing the dog and it the coller should be put on the owner then!--- i think its just important to know its not ment for the owner to vent his frustrations out on the dog, just to correct the dog when he's showing defiance. just my 2 cents!