Hmmmm.....Spidey was a dopefiend?

Just had this sent to me from a huntert in Utah,he got it from another site,just passin it along,no proof is given but he brings up some valid points,i have seen the video of spidey standing next to a camper swaying back and forth like he has been drugged...

Spider Bull Testing positive for BGH
Wannabe
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Nov 02, 2008
8:05 PM First let me define BGH...Bull Growth Hormone otherwise known as STEROIDS and commonly found at Bull Gyms throughout the world (Elk Ranches)
Okay, lets look at the facts!
1. I have seen videos and pictures from reliable sources of Spidy very close to vehicles and campers and not showing any hint of caution.....(common practice at Elk Ranches)
2. Spidy has a Utah history of a few months. If I was going to plant a bull for someone that I was going to guide, I would do my "cover up work". I would bring a set of sheds and plant them for maybe a year or two to establish a so called Utah history. Sheds for spidy were possibly found last year and that gives some people enough reason to believe....Where are the photos and videos of this bull before this year?????? Allowing someone the golden opportunity of finding these sheds is a very small payment to establish Utah history on Public land...
3. "Mosscrack" is known to have a little extra money and a little extra time...then, add a frequent mosscrack customer who has paid a very large sum of money, and you have a recipe for..........FRAUD! The average hunter could of thunk up this plan along with the cover up in a very short ammount of time. Mosscrack is also known to use "Shady" techniques and methods to please their customers.
4. I have some more facts and I am more than willing to elaborate if I sense any intirest......let me know!

In closing, I imagine that we all have our reasons for believing or doubting this "once in a lifetime" Bull. I only wish to feed the desire of those who are still in search of a bull that truely grew up and managed to survive on public mountain ranges of Utah. It is too bad that we have people who corrupt the "True Hunting Experience" ......Do you remember when Barry Bonds was suspected of using steroids???? Do you remember how you felt about that? I wonder how the players that have never used steroids felt? Barry set new records and I am sure that it is hard to accept for those who have worked very hard to accomplish their goals without using steroids.....
I know one thing,...........The cheater never feels that true satisfaction that comes with honest achievment!
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BIG R
I have seen one of these videos where spidy was walking through a campground full of campers and seemed to be swaying back and forth,front to back and even stumbling.Sounds just like something Moss would do :>/
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BIG R
I cant find the full length video anywhere now,but there is a very short version on tines up home page of the same video.(Bottom of screen)
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northern
"NONYA" wrote:Just had this sent to me from a huntert in Utah,he got it from another site,just passin it along,no proof is given but he brings up some valid points,i have seen the video of spidey standing next to a camper swaying back and forth like he has been drugged...

Spider Bull Testing positive for BGH
Wannabe
2 posts
Nov 02, 2008
8:05 PM First let me define BGH...Bull Growth Hormone otherwise known as STEROIDS and commonly found at Bull Gyms throughout the world (Elk Ranches)
Okay, lets look at the facts!
1. I have seen videos and pictures from reliable sources of Spidy very close to vehicles and campers and not showing any hint of caution.....(common practice at Elk Ranches)
2. Spidy has a Utah history of a few months. If I was going to plant a bull for someone that I was going to guide, I would do my "cover up work". I would bring a set of sheds and plant them for maybe a year or two to establish a so called Utah history. Sheds for spidy were possibly found last year and that gives some people enough reason to believe....Where are the photos and videos of this bull before this year?????? Allowing someone the golden opportunity of finding these sheds is a very small payment to establish Utah history on Public land...
3. "Mosscrack" is known to have a little extra money and a little extra time...then, add a frequent mosscrack customer who has paid a very large sum of money, and you have a recipe for..........FRAUD! The average hunter could of thunk up this plan along with the cover up in a very short ammount of time. Mosscrack is also known to use "Shady" techniques and methods to please their customers.
4. I have some more facts and I am more than willing to elaborate if I sense any intirest......let me know!

In closing, I imagine that we all have our reasons for believing or doubting this "once in a lifetime" Bull. I only wish to feed the desire of those who are still in search of a bull that truely grew up and managed to survive on public mountain ranges of Utah. It is too bad that we have people who corrupt the "True Hunting Experience" ......Do you remember when Barry Bonds was suspected of using steroids???? Do you remember how you felt about that? I wonder how the players that have never used steroids felt? Barry set new records and I am sure that it is hard to accept for those who have worked very hard to accomplish their goals without using steroids.....
I know one thing,...........The cheater never feels that true satisfaction that comes with honest achievment!
Amen brother!!!!!!!
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9er
"NONYA" wrote:just passin it along,no proof is given

until i see "PROOF" of this happening, no reason to believe IMHO

9er
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GUTPYLZ
One thing I was thinking about, was why was he so hard to find during the hunt? 2, if he was so juiced up, why wasn't he broke up from fighting? Sounds like there is debate on both sides. I would also want to know how a farm animal like that is hidden without anybody knowing it. Don't they usually tag them at a farm? I'll wait for the proof. I do hope he is for real.
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MuleyMadness
You've got to be kidding me, you guys really believe this stuff? What a waist of time and intelligence reading this. Just can't believe some of the crap you guys will go for and believe. :>/ :>/
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When I first started reading I thought this was going to be funny, BGH, but really get over it The bull is dead, can't do anything about it. I wonder if someone besides Mossback had killed him if this would still be a hot topic. :-k
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BIG R
Why wouldnt it be a hot topic if anyone else killed it?It would still be the new world record and everybody would still talk about it. (???)
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GUTPYLZ
I personally believe all things are possible in nature. He is a one in a Million thats a freak of nature.
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Huge29
"MuleyMadness" wrote:You've got to be kidding me, you guys really believe this stuff? What a waist of time and intelligence reading this. Just can't believe some of the crap you guys will go for and believe. :>/ :>/
 Well said! I don't know why some folks lose so much sleep over it and go out of their way to further discredit themselves with very biased and envious rumors.
He sure evaded a lot of hunters for several months, not something that I would expect from a pen raised animal, but that is just me.
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I still am a little skeptical about that bull as well. Being raised and spending alot of time in that area as well as family and friends. Richfield and the rest of the valley is very small and people talk alot, they also spend alot of time on that mountain shed hunting, camping, hunting and what not. Nobody I have talked to as even heard of it being seen or finding sheds. That was a mature bull and someone I trully believe would have came across him at one point. But it is what it is so no reason on ](*,) ](*,) if ya know what I mena. Good luck to all the truth may never be known!!! just my .02
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I really think we are beating a dead horse here, but I'll clarify my statement for Big R, what I ment by "I wonder if some one besides Mossback killed would it still be a big deal?" Was if Joe Hunter killed him it would still be a big deal, its a world reacord. But if Joe Hunter would have killed him would there be all this talk of the bull being farm raised or juiced up?
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BIG R
Even if Joe Blow killed him there would still be talk about it,just like the big bull that was supposably taken in the Selway last year or the year beforeby a Joe blow.It's all these tests and things that are done that ensures that it is what it really is,plus I guided around Doyle many of times and have seen some of the stupid things he has done so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if something like this took place.I'm not saying it took place but only that it would not surprise me ](*,)
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NONYA
Anyone remember that pic going around last year of that monster bull saying it was killed in the Selway,the one that turned to be a ranch bull,the one that B&C had on their site and then changed the post after they discovere the truth?Well take a look at that pic side by side with spider,VERY similar looking rack,If you dont question or even admit the possablity that something like this could happen you are living in a dream world,this is BIG money buisness and peopple are GREEDY! :>/
http://www.boone-crockett.org/news/trophyWatch_month.asp?area=news&year=2008&month=11
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9er
"NONYA" wrote:If you dont question or even admit the possablity that something like this could happen you are living in a dream world,this is BIG money buisness and peopple are GREEDY! :>/
i dont question the truth behind this, could this happen, sure it could. Is it likely? highly doubt it

why would a established outfitter, that already has more than enough clients go out and do this? why would an outfitter try and do something, with the chance that it could ruin not only his business but his income/life not enough reward for a big chance like that

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NONYA
Look at the amount of money this guys spends on tags every year,the guy is addicted to booner entrys and having his pic all over,what do you think an ego freek like this would pay for a WORLD RECORD ELK? This wouldnt be the first time this exact thing has taken place with other species like whitetail deer,pen rqised animals released and harvested for big money clients.
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NONYA
"GUTPYLZ" wrote:I personally believe all things are possible in nature. He is a one in a Million thats a freak of nature.
 A freak of nature that hangs out in a campground?Bulls dont get that big on public land hanging out in a Fn camp ground.There is VIDEO of this bull,in velvet standing next to a camper trailer swaying like hes drunk EXPLAIN THAT! :>/
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MuleyMadness
Nonya, are you kidding me? I've counted and see TONS of big game animals right next to trailers, homes, cabins, roads, etc. etc. etc.

I guess those deer you posted a while back laying in town on front lawns where drugged and planted their to also huh?

LET THIS GO, the bull is 100% wild and legit. Sorry to spread the bad news.

My last reply to this dumb thread, unless I LOCK IT. :)
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NONYA
Those animals live IN TOWN where the is NO HUNTING(exactly my point),kinda like a GAME FARM.Go ahead lock it,god forbid someome should discuss a story lots of people are talking about :>/

Here is the video of the wiley spider bull,walking next to a camper,last 20 sec of video...
http://addictedtohunting.com/spider-bull-elk-update/
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killerbee
"NONYA" wrote:Those animals live IN TOWN where the is NO HUNTING,kinda like a GAME FARM.Go ahead lock it,god forbid someome should discuss a story lots of people are talking about :>/
 poeple WERE talking about it LAST YEAR..........

this is a very old rumor. the bull HAS BEEN reserched by B&C and deemed "legit". if you got this in an "e-mail" i'm sure it would be no secret and B&C would be the first to call foul.

you made your point, you dont love mossback as if they were your family. :)

but this is about as silly of an outdated post as i've ever seen. even "IF" this ended up being true, it doesn't effect anyone exept the guy who is selling the hunt- D M, and the guys who are buying the hunts. they would end up being the laughing stock of the hunting community and another would loose his means of living.

as long as B&C has it as a "legit" bull, i'll take that over another email that is 75% wrong everytime .

now for petes sake, can the "spyderbull" just Rest In Peace lol
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Loafer
Maybe we can get the FBI to open a ten year investiagtion on the use of BGH in split hooved game animals. That is of course after they finish with HGH and baseball.
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killerbee
"Loafer" wrote:Maybe we can get the FBI to open a ten year investiagtion on the use of BGH in split hooved game animals. That is of course after they finish with HGH and baseball.
 not the FBI , we need are "government" to launch an all out investigation!
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I will admit that the whole thing smells fishy to me. It is what it is. Lets face it... big game animals like elk and deer dont get big by being stupid. I just saw a month ago a monster 5X5 mule deer buck. I saw him on three occasions spanning a two week period. I'll be danged if that buck didnt dissapear within 4 days of the archery hunt and hasn't been seen since.

But that big of a bull in Utah on public land... I dont know. ](*,)
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ABert
I saw a sasquatch once... :-$
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i think its nature. nature can always surprise you a bull of that size would be smart he knows if hes standin next to a road or house or camper hes most likely not gonna get shot. you never know whats out there
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"NONYA" wrote:Those animals live IN TOWN where the is NO HUNTING(exactly my point),kinda like a GAME FARM.Go ahead lock it,god forbid someome should discuss a story lots of people are talking about :>/

Here is the video of the wiley spider bull,walking next to a camper,last 20 sec of video...
http://addictedtohunting.com/spider-bull-elk-update/


I don't see anything wrong with this threat . I also feel if this bull was a REAL Utah bull there would be sheds being shown . BUT NOT ONE !! ????? He was walking around camps grounds ?? and still no sheds from other years . ???
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"Muley Shed Freak" wrote:I will admit that the whole thing smells fishy to me. It is what it is. Lets face it... big game animals like elk and deer dont get big by being stupid. I just saw a month ago a monster 5X5 mule deer buck. I saw him on three occasions spanning a two week period. I'll be danged if that buck didnt dissapear within 4 days of the archery hunt and hasn't been seen since.

But that big of a bull in Utah on public land... I dont know. ](*,)




Very fishy indeed !! 10sign:
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Loafer
I thought they liked to be called Big Foot.
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This is a great bull... however my preference would have been to see the bull shot by a BOWHUNTER that was not guided... or some such thing. I feel that it is somewhat cheapened by the fact of how much money he paid for the tag an the guides. However it is a great bull and he should be very proud of it!
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just a update he did test positive for the BGH
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9er
"Coloradobuck" wrote:just a update he did test positive for the BGH
 when? where? :-k

you just cant leave us hanging, where is the proof?? (???)

9er
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killerbee
"Coloradobuck" wrote:just a update he did test positive for the BGH
 not according to the Boone and Crockett web page.
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yea but he did test positive tho
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brn2hunt
Are you gunna give us proof or are you just going to keep saying that?
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