hunting someone elses "spot"

tell me what you think is right or wrong:

Earlier this year during bow season i had been hunting some elk, they were always feeding in the same meadow then would head up 1 of 2 draws towards there beds. i took a buddy up with me to hunt them 1 morning [ he was having a pretty slow year] and it was pretty good. we couldn't get a shot off but it was close and we were able to get outta there without spooking them much. usually when i have some steady elk to hunt i try my best to not screw it up so they will stick around to hunt the next day. anyway-- so i couldn't go the next friday and got up early sat. mornins to get into position. when i got to where i would park there was another truck there. i headed out and when i got to my lookout guess who was there?? they guy i took the week before with 2 of his buddies after some disscution they said "it's public land and you dont own these elk"! i agree absolutly but usually expect a little respect when i take someone to a spot, that they wont bring everybody and there dog to blow it all up. well sure enough, they got on the wrong side and the elk ran right into them in the wide open. the elk was running over the last hill you could see! and they never returned to that area during archery season!

so what do you think is right or wrong??
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bigbuck92
I picked option to. Those guys didnt put any effort into scouting the area and you just wanted to help him out. So if i was him i would only go if you invited me again cause i didnt even put any effort into the area so if your not invited back find your self a different area.

-Cody
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brn2hunt
killer if I was you i would be so mad that is disrespectful :>/ and i cant stand someone like that. he should be grateful that you helped him without youhe may have never even saw an elk all season.
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i picked that id only go back if i got invited again i say that because if he didnt trust you to not jus go back any time he wouldntve taken u to that spot in the first place
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a_bow_nut
Choice number two for me also. There are tons of elk to hunt. I would try to find my own heard to hunt unless I was invited back.
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AGCHAWK
I agreed with the others, Killer. That was pretty low what the guy did to ya. As you stated, it IS public land and you do not own the elk....but you had your spot picked out, the guy knew it...and knew it was a good spot, and then he sneaks in there with some friends of his! All this AFTER you were kind enough to take him out with you.

Ya just don't do that to a buddy...no matter how good the spot may be.
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waynedevore
If I were invited to hunt with some one anywhere. I would not even hunt close by without another invitation.
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NONYA
iF YOU THINK ITS "YOUR " SPOT,DONT SHARE,PUBLIC LAND IS OPEN TO ALL AND IF YOU GIVE UP "YOUR" SPOT ODDS ARE YOU JUST REVEALED IT TO MANY MORE PEOPLE.
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lifetime hunter
"NONYA" wrote:iF YOU THINK ITS "YOUR " SPOT,DONT SHARE,PUBLIC LAND IS OPEN TO ALL AND IF YOU GIVE UP "YOUR" SPOT ODDS ARE YOU JUST REVEALED IT TO MANY MORE PEOPLE.
 +1,000,000 agree with ya Nonya!


ya know a funny thing about Karma.. sometimes comes back and bites you in the arse!!! :-k
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TheGreatwhitehunter
iF YOU THINK ITS "YOUR " SPOT,DONT SHARE,PUBLIC LAND IS OPEN TO ALL AND IF YOU GIVE UP "YOUR" SPOT ODDS ARE YOU JUST REVEALED IT TO MANY MORE PEOPLE.
+1,000,000 agree with ya Nonya!

SAD BUT TRUE (???)
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Hiker
"waynedevore" wrote:If I were invited to hunt with some one anywhere. I would not even hunt close by without another invitation.
 I agree 100%!
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waynedevore
In my early days of out West hunting, I for some reason thought I had to put together a party. Usually 4-6 hunters.

MAN what a mistake. I'm at fault for starting a lot of MN people going West for Mulies.

Oh yeah, some were very good about it. And I still share information and sometimes hunt with. But some got on my benice list, if you know what I mean. :>/
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Hiker
Wayne, I understand wholeheartedly!

I guess that's one reason I have hunted all over the state of Colorado. My first 20 years of hunting Colorado, I had a very big mouth. I still like to assist people and will give advice on some of my good areas. I get great joy out of getting people into our sport and helping folks get their animals, especially if they're willing to work for them. As my children get older and want to hunt, I have to keep a few places secret.

I have a couple of places that I hunt and when I invite someone to go with me. I tell them beforehand, I will take to this area, under one condition, you have to promise me, you will not share it with anyone else and will not return, unless you're with me.

Some of my honeyholes have taken me many years and many hours of scouting to figure out, yet I have gladly shared what I have known with others, and sometimes even with people that I have never met face to face. I get PM's every fall from different people on many different forums, people many times that I have never seen posts from on the forum. They ask me for information about different units and I will usually share great information with them, at least the best info that I know about a specific area and very rarely do I ever hear back from them, after season is over or for that matter, ever again, with how their hunt went or anything. I will say this, over the years I have grown tired of these type of information leeches, these people that take and take but never give back, rarely if ever do you see them assist others or give a Congrats when someone post a story or a photo. There's a few on Muley Madness that have asked me questions on some areas over the last year or two and we've talked on the phone, e-mailed back and forth and I have even met a few of you in person, I'm not talking about you, you guys are great and I always hear back from you and it's been a blessing for me to get to know you. So for you guys, ask away and if I can ever assist you, I'll do my best.
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StickFlicker
I would not normally go back without another invitation, however, if I did want to go back I would ask permission of the person who took me there in the first place. I normally would never take another person to someone else's spot, ever.

Before I ever take someone to my spot, I make my expectations quite clear to them in advance. If I don't believe they will respect my area and not return (especially their returning in the future with more friends), then I will never take them in the first place. I have had a number of friendships ruined or damaged for this very reason.
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MuleyMadness
I would not normally go back without another invitation, however, if I did want to go back I would ask permission of the person who took me there in the first place. I normally would never take another person to someone else's spot, ever.
Well said and agreed with this and others comments. Wouldn't go back without the okay from friend.
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killerbee
"StickFlicker" wrote:I would not normally go back without another invitation, however, if I did want to go back I would ask permission of the person who took me there in the first place. I normally would never take another person to someone else's spot, ever.

Before I ever take someone to my spot, I make my expectations quite clear to them in advance. If I don't believe they will respect my area and not return (especially their returning in the future with more friends), then I will never take them in the first place. I have had a number of friendships ruined or damaged for this very reason.
 that is exactly how i feel about it!!!
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AGCHAWK
I guess you know who you can/cannot show your honeyholes to, ay Brian?
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killerbee
"AGCHAWK" wrote:I guess you know who you can/cannot show your honeyholes to, ay Brian?
 absolutly! and it's funny, i think for the most part i could have guessed which way alot of guys voted. -- it's been a pretty good poll i think. looking at the options and peoples coments, i think the ones who chose only going back with an invitation, and the ones who would go back but not bring anyone else[ most of these guys say that they would ask first] seem to be on the same page. then add in the 1 who chose" stay completly out of the area" You end up with 88% of everyone would deffinatly respect an area that someone has taken you to. over all that shows we have a pretty good group of guys on this board! for the ones who chose-" it's public land and i can hunt when i want to" what can you say? it's true ](*,) ](*,) but it is a pretty low down way to say thanks to a buddy for taking you there ](*,) but to each his own.
i have learned from the replys that from know on there will be more of A TALK before someone makes a trip into an area with me.
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i think we all got some hunny holes that we would like to be hunted by only us but its public land so ya gonna have some people that will come hunte the spot
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NONYA
I wouldnt be so arrogant to tell someone they cant hunt public land that i showed em,if you share it expect them to hunt it agian,simple rule.
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killerbee
I guess i just have to disagree with that one. Thats just it, you shouldn't have to say a word about it. any respectful person wouldn't sneak back in. it's one thing to find an area for yourself, then LATER find out another buddy hunts it. then it's fair game. and you can't expect to have an area completly to yourself on public land. but to get invited to someones hunting area and then go in later without them with other guys is just dirty. but not to worry too much, chances are it wouldn't happen a second time. after a while you would run short on buddies who wanted to take you with them. (**!!)
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NONYA
I havnt found a decent piece of public that doesnt already have a crowd at some time during the season so i wouldnt try and keep a buddy out of it,if I show it to em I dont imply restrictions,its public ground,free to ALL.
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waynedevore
Oh, I help people and give good info all the time. But I have a half dozen places that I keep to myself except for a few friends that I trust 100% Even though there are other hunters in the area. I don't want anymore.
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jersey boy
Well when i shot my whitetail buck that was on public land and i left my treestand there and i could tell people were using it which irritated me but its my fault for leaving it there so i locked it with a huge chain and i went back 4 days after i shot the buck and someone stole my darn treestand it really makes me mad that someone has the nerve to take someones treestand. Whenever you do something put yourself in there shoes!! IT SUCKS



I picked only if i get invited back!
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brn2hunt
wait... so if you locked it with a huge chain then how did it get stolen???
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jersey boy
they obviously cut the chain there are bolt cutters that will cut right threw chains if there that desperate for a $150 treestand let em have it
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brn2hunt
thats what i was thinking but i didnt think anybody was desperate enough to bring bolt cutters
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jersey boy
Oh yeah man people in jersey can be real butt holes 3 stands have been stolen from my uncles property and they were all chained right off his property ridiculous huh? Thats why im hoping people out in utah are nicer than the people out here lol
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brn2hunt
that is ridiculas i would be furious
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bigbuck92
Thats why ya gotta do spot and stalk! dont have to worry about any body jacking your stand.
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southwind
As far as stand hunting goes I would never ever leave a stand on public ground. On private most of the stands we use are lumber built and mostly for the reason that people can't steal them. On my hanging stands I go in late summer and clear the trees and place my steps but I don't hang the stand itself until the season. And yes I do chain them and then take them down at seasons end. Most of the time on public ground that I stand hunt I use climbers. Give them a try they give you a lot of options.

On the poll I voted for the number two option.

I know public land is public and that is exactly the way I want it to stay. But, I really respect the time and effort someone has put into finding, patterning, and scouting a "honey hole". To me that is sacred. If anyone else shows up to that spot on their own I completley respect that as well and asume no right of ownership or priviledge.

To me it comes down to a personal ethical code. I have had some public "honey holes" shared with me and I will never ever take anyone else to that spot without clearing it first with the person who took me there. And there are some spots I would really like to share with others but I respect and will not break that code.

Know the person you are taking, make your expectations known to them. If they break it well ,lesson learned.

By the way KB where exactly is that spot you were talking about??? JK-Jk :))
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jersey boy
I did have a climber but i would just take the chain off everytime i climbed up so i wouldnt have to carry the darn thing in everytime. it also makes alot of noise but w.e its over now sucks but its over
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i agree with killerbee. it's just comen curtasy to ask to go hunt it. i aint gonna go sneak in to one of my bodys spots. i ask permison. and they do the same. as for the tree stands, well i gess thats why i spot and stalk more funner and dont have to worry about some one stilling it.
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waynedevore
"jersey boy" wrote:Well when i shot my whitetail buck that was on public land and i left my treestand there and i could tell people were using it which irritated me but its my fault for leaving it there so i locked it with a huge chain and i went back 4 days after i shot the buck and someone stole my darn treestand it really makes me mad that someone has the nerve to take someones treestand. Whenever you do something put yourself in there shoes!! IT SUCKS



I picked only if i get invited back!
 MN State law. Any stand put on public property is public property. In other words even portable stands once put on public property it's not your stand anymore. Been some trouble with this law, hunters finding some one else in the stand and leglly can do nothing.
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jersey boy
thats a bunch of crap you should beable to leave your stuff there thats a crappy law!!!
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thats what ya get for trustn people. ya should never leave something out there that you dont want to be stolen. thats the way people are these days.
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"killerbee" wrote:tell me what you think is right or wrong:

Earlier this year during bow season i had been hunting some elk, they were always feeding in the same meadow then would head up 1 of 2 draws towards there beds. i took a buddy up with me to hunt them 1 morning [ he was having a pretty slow year] and it was pretty good. we couldn't get a shot off but it was close and we were able to get outta there without spooking them much. usually when i have some steady elk to hunt i try my best to not screw it up so they will stick around to hunt the next day. anyway-- so i couldn't go the next friday and got up early sat. mornins to get into position. when i got to where i would park there was another truck there. i headed out and when i got to my lookout guess who was there?? they guy i took the week before with 2 of his buddies after some disscution they said "it's public land and you dont own these elk"! i agree absolutly but usually expect a little respect when i take someone to a spot, that they wont bring everybody and there dog to blow it all up. well sure enough, they got on the wrong side and the elk ran right into them in the wide open. the elk was running over the last hill you could see! and they never returned to that area during archery season!

so what do you think is right or wrong??
 same thing happened to me a few years ago.I made the mistake of showing(a good friend) where I was taking my big muleys.only cause I needed help getting one out. now he and every one he knows hunts there. totally ruined the area.NEVER AGAIN I hunt a new area and haven't shown anyone. plus I now have a 100,000 acre ranch I hunt and there is almost noone allowed in but the ranchers family and my family.makes for great hunting.

sorry I didn't vote but I didn't see the answer I would have given.
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