Is this even considered Hunting??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssh8Vsbvn2A


Very Questionable in my opinion. Was there a Hunt involved?
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life2extreme
Not hunting in my book
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Not hunting, but great shooting. Problem is they don't show the trainwrecks. I have a video on long range shooting and they show themselves shooting big game and coyotes. They miss one coyote 3 times and wound another. They don't miss or wound a single head of big game though.Hmmmm?? ](*,)
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basingater
Not Hunting But like said above great shot!
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AGCHAWK
I saw some great SHOOTING....but I didn't see anything resembling HUNTING to me.
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Agree with above: some great shooting but I’m waiting to see the hunting part of the video
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NONYA
Great shot,if you have any idea what amount of time and work go into making a shot like that you might appreciate it a bit more,qi\uite a bit more work that crawling out witin a couple hundred yards and taking your shot. :thumb
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MuleyMadness
Nice shot = YES

Pointless = YES also IMO.

All for show to me.
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would never make it in bow hunting.
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NONYA
Can any of you make that shot? :))There are guys that think the same of you who shoot 300 yards,and its obvious none of you have ever tried to make a shot like that,if you try it some time it will change your opinion.
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Man there sure a lot of Jim Zumbo's here!

Please tell me you guys don't hunt with high powered rifles, cuz that ain't huntin!
Rule out compound bows, aluminum or graphite arrows, machine manufactured bows....hmmm perhaps bows present an unfair advantage to animals that can't fight back!

Of course it IS hunting. OK, it isn't your way so don't hunt that way.
I'm sure you guys don't use 4 wheel drive vehicles to get into remote areas either...since REAL hunters don't!

edge.
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NONYA
Yep it aint hunting if you dont walk from the house,its just not fair to drive within a mile of your game before you "hunt",and if you arnt using a homeade bow with stone points you are just cheating with your highpowered newfangled rifles.It is hunting and it takes a lot more work to be able to make that shot,LOTS more. :thumb
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it's just a diffrent type of hunting, Most of us don't have the time or money or what every to hunt that way. To say they wound more that other hunter would be a mistake. I'm sure there lots more bad shots made by normal hunters than all these guys put together.
I once had a hunter that would not shoot a cow elk standing in the middle of a 2 track at 300 yrds he had a 30-06 that was very capable of making the shot and did when I used it to shoot the elk. he was not wrong for not taking the shot , he had never shot over 100 yrds in his life.
I've seen guys with laptops and min weather stations so they can have all the data they need to make shot's.
Is it hunting? Yes
Is it a type of hunting I'd like?
No, getting close is as much of the hunt as dropping the game to me.
As NONYA said you need to Know more about it before you put it down,
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Nonya “Can any of you make that shot”? yes I can and have made shots longer, not on Big Game on Coyotes and Prairie Dogs
But you are right about most people not being able to shoot.
Little Story—
Went to the Range with New Barrel for TC (7mm-08) person next to me shooting at the 50 yd line was able to hit black (4” black). He was happy with that and then tried the 500M steel plates. Sighted in the new barrel, 4 shots. Person next to me having a hard time with the steel, I talked with him during the break and told him how to hit the plates, he keep trying about 20 shots. So I tried 12-15 MPH cross wind. I help 1 mil over, 1.5 left hit just under. Made adjustment 1.5 mil over, 1.5 left dead center, repeated the shot 2 more times. If you practice a lot and know your weapon you can make the shots.
Practice often
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silvertip-co
Is it not hunting because it's not BOW hunting? Or because it's spot and stalk and not traipsing thru the blaze orange Pennsylvania woods waving to the hunter behind each and every tree? Or is it not hunting because it's 'technical', much like the difference between Tred Barta's bow and a Mathews? Or is it because it's economically and and technically unfea$able for YOU to do it?

The point I am making is that if YOU define some one elses 'hunt' then you precipitate devisiveness in the sport, which we have enough of..i.e. flintlock vs inline, longbow vs Mathewwws, ML vs the riflemen, 4blade vs folding point, etc etc ad infinitum. What we need in this time of economic and political strife is some unity to offset your brand of derision.

Do you even support and belong to the NRA and a local hunting and/or shooting club?




( Incidentally I quit bow hunting twice in my life, not because I didnt like it, but I twice grew sooo weary of bow HUNTERS.)
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If you paid close attention this was not hunting. It was a thinly disguised attempt to sell you a custom rifle and lessons to shoot it. The problem I've seen is that too many try to replace years of practice and skill with expensive equipment and a crash course on how to use it. It takes lots of time and money to learn to do that.
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NONYA
"m gardner" wrote:If you paid close attention this was not hunting. It was a thinly disguised attempt to sell you a custom rifle and lessons to shoot it. The problem I've seen is that too many try to replace years of practice and skill with expensive equipment and a crash course on how to use it. It takes lots of time and money to learn to do that.
Mark
 It s takes a TON of work to be that proficient,WAY more than most are willing to put in.
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Ok, I may be new here and it is very nice shooting but 1,000 yard shots considered hunting.. what about the hunter who spent 4 hours to stalk in close to have someone shoot right over you??? or worse at you! Had an encounter with Long range as$&*les... shooting directly at the cow elk (774 yards away)I was within 50 feet of and waiting for them to come up to me. IN hunter orange sweatshirt and cap! and I could see these excuses of humanity clearly!!!!!!!!! Noope its not hunting. A rifle designed for long range shooting with customized accuracy with a customized cartridge/ bullet needs only an accurate shooter who can range and calculate windage. I run a 30-06 on occasion, with a 50 cal muzzleloader as my primary weapon of choice (no scope on the MZ and I can put 3 under a quarter at 100 yards using just a sandbag for a rest so I know a few things about shooting accuracy) I hunt both mule deer and elk primarily in Utah. Oh by the way I'm pushing 48 real hard and hunt solo via backpack for my mule deer which I pack out myself. NOT bad for a girl. Hunting is more then buying a tag and sitting on a hillside waiting for it to show up on the hillside across from you and shooting it.
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MULEY7MM
::wel to the madness sounds like your a die hard hunter
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NONYA
](*,) all of you haters should try it once before you pass judgment,of course that would require LOTS of time,work and investment,something most dont have the fortuitude to try.
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waynedevore
Shooting at that distance would likely not spook the goats. Maybe he scored on his first shot? maybe took 50 shots, maybe the buck laid down because of a earlier gut shot? I have taken many antelope and know it's very risky taking a shot longer then say 200 yards with the winds that often blow in lope country. One thing if there is a steady breeze, doesn't happen often. There is likely several different wind speeds between you and a Antelope that's 1000 yards away. I think that a 1000 yard shot is risky and unethical. Their selling a product that's great, if your a target shooter. My opinion.
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NONYA
There are many that say using a rifle to shoot anything is unethical,now you are going to base your ethics on yardage?
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I think ethics are a bad thing to get involved in because they are usually manmade and subject to change and interpretation. All I can say is that I don't shoot past the yardage that I have proven that I can place all my shots, on demand, in the kill zone. For me that's 40 yards with the bow and 300 yards with the rifle under ideal conditions. I like to get as close as possible anyways. I don't really care how far I shoot at prarie dogs or coyotes (see the ethics of the situation have changed already). For me it's not about ethics anyhow. It's about efficiently bringing home edible meat without wasting it. When I was 12 they turned me loose with a 22 and 3 cartirdges and expected 3 critters. We didn't practice much because money was scarce, so I had to get close. That's how they raised me. I went bad when I bought the first 25-06 Rem. 700 in the area when I got older. Things haven't been the same since.
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Hello to All,

Due to the PREPARATION a Long Range Hunter undertakes to Make a Shot like that, it IS Most
Definitely Hunting.

Dictionary term: Hunting,
To chase or search for (game or other wild animals) for the Purpose of catching or killing for food and/or sport. The act or Practice of Hunting Game.

Is it hunting when a guy shoots (maybe) one box of ammo from the bench only, then goes into
the woods and "jump shoots" running game? The potential for wounding game in this scenario
is FAR GREATER than a guy that shoots 50-100 rounds from the bench and Field Positions, who
takes into account and knows his Rifle, the Bullet he's shooting, the Field Conditions at the time
of the shot (Temp, Wind, Elevation, Humidity, etc.)

I would say that the Long Range Hunter ( who Properly Prepares) IS Exercising MORE Responsibility in PREPARATION for his hunt than the average hunter!! Will misses and wounding
occur in long range hunting? YES!! True, they don't show the "train wrecks", BUT Neither Do the
Regular Range Hunters or the "Jump Shooters" on their hunting shows!

Also, we Don't Know that the guy in the video doesn't have the ability to Stalk into Point-Blank
Range ( to Please the Hunters who Only hunt this way). Take a Coues Deer Hunt in Mexico for example, costing Thousands of Dollars. You had Better "BE PREPARED" (Scout Motto) to shoot
effectively 300 to 500+ Yards for those "cross canyon" shots that will More than likely present
itself to the hunter, Or be ready to tell the story of the $4000.00 Sight-seeing trip you enjoyed so much...
PREPARATION for the LongRange Hunter as well as the ShortRange Hunter should be the Deciding Factor if the Shot was Good or Not.
Please excuse the Long Range Post, but that is One of the ways I like to Hunt!!

Russell

Here is a link to learning how to Prepare for shots like these, should you decice the situation
calls for such a shot...

http://www.rifle-accuracy-reports.com
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sneekeepete
I have had a lot of proffesional training considering my line of work but I don't stop there. I have read and studied so many books on long range shooting i can't remember all of them. I have also done so much field training I feel much more at home laying in the woods with brush leaves ect. concealing my position so that I can sneak into range for that one shot kill than I do sitting at this computer. I carry all of this over to my hunting. I practice shooting with my hunting rifle like I practice with my sniper rifle. I can honelsty say I am prepared to take very long range shots if the conditions are right. If not I stalk and crawl and walk and hunt hard to get within range where I am comfortable enough with the conditions to take the shot. As far as the video I can't say whether or not it was ethical or not because I don't know all the conditions. I will say it could or could not be.
Anywho just my opinion but I could agree with both sides. It might not be hunting if it is just some idiot who hasn't practiced and got lucky and it could be if he has put in 100's of hours preparing for that shot. Again just my humble opinion.
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tommycaller
Wow...I guess the countless hours going into locating the animal and setting up for a shot like that are not considered hunting either????? I have shot deer at less than 10 yards and out to almost 600 yards. I tell my wife I am going hunting each and every time I hunt. Please don't tell her that I am not hunting. I have a good thing going and don't want to ruin it.

So many areas are not set up for shots more than 100 yards. If I am in an area like that, I adapt to the area and hunt at close range. However, I enjoy the long range shots if I can get into an area that offers such a shot. I for one will not steal your animal if I see you stalking it...That WOULD be an ethics issue. If you practice the shots, you can make them. If you don't practice....don't try it.

I have a friend that likes hog liver..I don't like hog liver. Is he actually eating the liver? I guess he can't be because I don't like it :-k
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The Ox
i completley agree with nonya!
why isnt it hunting? are you guys jealous you cant make that shot or what? long range shooting takes practice and skill! this is way more hunting than any high fence game raches people go to and its supposedly hunting.
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elkaholic2981
Nice shot yes but hunting I dont think so. Where is the hunting part of it? wheres the stalking the challenge ya its a hard shot but ....... I just don't think it is hunting.
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The Ox
they are antelope! they dont take much to hunt with a rifle! the only other thing harder than that shot on an antelope would be hunting lope with a bow!
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proutdoors
I actually agree with NONYA and Ox on this subject. =D>
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camodup
I agree with NONYA on this, but you still gotta hunt somewhat. it aint easy to shoot that far, but still. Whats the point of seein an antelope that far away and pokin a shot at it. it was even laying down, thats like cheating! I watched another video of that same guy and he shoots like a 440 bull elk at 950 yards. Wouldnt it be more fun to stalk an elk for a few hours and bugle back and forth with it and then kill it at 350 yards or is it just me?
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NONYA
Once you do both you can compare and let us know..... ](*,)
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The Ox
"camodup" wrote:I agree with NONYA on this, but you still gotta hunt somewhat. it aint easy to shoot that far, but still. Whats the point of seein an antelope that far away and pokin a shot at it. it was even laying down, thats like cheating! I watched another video of that same guy and he shoots like a 440 bull elk at 950 yards. Wouldnt it be more fun to stalk an elk for a few hours and bugle back and forth with it and then kill it at 350 yards or is it just me?
wel i dunnol maybe for him shooting 1000 yrd shots are more challenging. and so your also sayin if an animal is bedded you wont shoot it? how is that in any form cheating or different if it were standing up eating?
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killerbee
"proutdoors" wrote:I actually agree with NONYA and Ox on this subject. =D>
 i just about fell outta my chair lol
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camodup
I didnt mean it like that, but still its kinda cheap. the guy actually is based where he teaches his class right by my house actually
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