opinion on high fence hunts

i shot a elk in kansas on a high fenced farm with my bow. i am only 15

and some of the guys didnt think it was that great.

what do ya all think let me know.
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AGCHAWK
muley crazy 1, this same topic comes up about every 6 months or so and I can tell ya, it's not a highly thought of thing to do here at MM. If you are honestly lookin' for folk's unabashed opinions on the topic then I'm sure you'll get 'em.

I realize that you're only 15 and, without sounding "fatherly" or condescending, I think you have some growing yet to do and some decisions to make on what you consider "hunting".
I personally do not like high fenced operations at all. I see it as nothing more than shooting a penned-in animal with no way to escape. It's about as far from hunting as going to the local market and "harvesting" a side of beef.

Again, you're still just a kid so I don't want to go after ya with both guns blazing. You asked and I answered, nothing more. You are more than welcome to throw out any thoughts and opinions you may have on the subject and don't worry, you won't offend me at all. We are all free and entitled to our opinions.

True hunting, in my opinion, is a man or woman trying to out-think, out-smart, and out-maneuver some of the most beautiful and intelligent animals in the world...and may the best "beast" win. After all, if the animal has no chance then there is no "thrill of the chase"...and without that it's not worth doing. Besides, the best part of hunting, again this is my opinion, is the stalk itself. If your successful then the work begins and the fun is over until next year. The animal should have as fair a shake in the whole process as the hunter himself. Penning an animal in and chasing it down is no fair to the animal and robs it of its dignity...and if that sounds corny to anyone then either I don't get it or you don't.

Take care young man and I hope you take the responses accordingly.
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Mark
You could have saved yourself a lot of money and just bought a cow at the butcher shop.

There is nothing about a high fenced shoot that I would personally want to be a part of.

I hunt fair chase as defined by P&Y and B&C. That's just the way I hunt. I see no need to hunt caged animals.

If shooting something at a high fenced ranch works for you, then have at it. I just don't count canned hunts as much of an accomplishment as far as hunting is concerned.

That said, I also don't condemn those that choose to "hunt" high fenced compounds. If it's legal, go for it.

If you're okay with it then who cares what we think...
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a_bow_nut
No thanks I prefer to hunt wild game myself.
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to me high finced hunts are the rich peoples thinging that their hunters even though thats not hunting at all. to have the opertunity to hunt elk for 10 bucks on wide open public land and then not to take that opertunity. that to me is a "below the belt" puch to hunting.im 16 and you will never see me in a high finced hunt ever. thats just MY opinun.
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killerbee
to each their own, but for me personally i dont even begin to think of it as hunting. how much scouting was needed? what was the odds of being unsuccsesful? what are the season dates? many more that all relate to hunting and none of them relate to high fence shooting. and by the looks of that bull i would have to agree that it is probably cross bred.
do you also hunt regular free ranging hunt? if not you should give it a try i think you 'll find the reward is 100% better when you kill something fair chase. i'm sure it was still a very enjoyable trip to spend time with your family and that is great! if thats what brings them all together then keep it up!
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BOHNTR
That wasn't hunting.....it was killing. IMO
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NONYA
Its not hunting,its killing livestock,Ill sell you a red angus steer "hunt" for $3000,ill even turn it out into a section pasture so u can tell everyone how big the enclosure was and how wild they were.We outlawed that crap her in MT for everything but bison,I wish more states would stand up and protect their wild herds from diseases like CWD by doing the same,its a sad substitute for hunting,the worst part is most of these " hunts" cost more than a good fairchase guided hunt. :222
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proutdoors
"NONYA" wrote:Its not hunting,its killing livestock,Ill sell you a red angus steer "hunt" for $3000,ill even turn it out into a section pasture so u can tell everyone how big the enclosure was and how wild they were.We outlawed that crap her in MT for everything but bison,I wish more states would stand up and protect their wild herds from diseases like CWD by doing the same,its a sad substitute for hunting,the worst part is most of these " hunts" cost more than a good fairchase guided hunt. :222
 AMEN!
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:>/

I personally hate high fenced ( HUNTING ? ) . It's nothing more than shooting a penned animal , that has no way to escape. :>/
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RooDog
high fenced farm shooting is for wannabe hunters. :>/ I see you live in Colorado...You could have drove to the NW part of the state and had a good chance at hunting fair chase and ended up with a nicer bull and had alot more fun.
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I agree with everyone else on this subject!!! this is not hunting just killing! :>/
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look you guys you gave me your opinions and thats fine but dont judge

me on a high fence hunt i have a colorado mulie elk and pronghorn hunt

and a nebraska whitetail hunt and there all fair chase. and the only one

i will not be useing my bow will be my elk tag
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MuleyMadness
muley crazy 1

You asked for their opinions, I read them all and don't see them judging you. They are giving their opinions, which you may not like but you asked for them. :)
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Wow, guys, lots of responses to this one. I completely agree with everyone else. Hunting high fenced is not only a poor substitute for hunting, it's also bad for hunting's image to the nonhunters. If, suddenly, hunting is just fencing up an animal to kill it, I think the opposition to hunting will grow tremendously. Right now, most people are ok with the idea that people are going out and not everyone kills an animal, but enough are killed to manage the herds. When it gets to the point where people are just paying to kill an animal, not to enjoy the experience of the hunt and the time spent with family and friends, hunting will be going downhill fast.
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yeah ok
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NONYA
You asked for it,if you dont wanna be judged for shooting a penned "elk" go over to Ted nugents forum,he ll call you his blood brother and tell you how much spirit wild you have for killing the mighty beast just like Fred Bear,never mind the fact that Fred Bear hunted free chase and never used a compound bow,or that the "mighty beast" was pen raised livestock that didnt have a chance in H ell of escaping the enclosure it was in,he wont judge you at all,unless of course you disagree with him on any subject that may come up.
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Mark
"muley crazy 1" wrote:yeah ok
 I take it from your response you didn't hear what you wanted to hear...

You asked.
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hey guys we should lay off the kid. sure he hunted a pined animal but he did get one. thats more than me and propebley more then a lot of hunters. so we also should congrat him on his sucsess.
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nonya lay of him. so what if he hunted a pined animal. the cow you eat is pened and it has no chance in h ell of excapen its pen. who gives a darn!!!!
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bigbuck92
cows are raised for food cb. they arent or arent supossed to be wild. but high fenced establishments the animals are raised to get big racks so who ever has the prettiest penny can shoot and hang it on there wall. im totaly with nonya and everybody else on this subject
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ok so let me get this striaght none of you guys hunt hay fields or plant

food plots the only thing i did different was it had a fence. it wasnt in a

pen it was a 100 acres with a fence.

anyways i can hunt anywhere i want
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thanks to the very few of you for your postive comments i cant say anything for the rest of you.
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bigbuck92
"muley crazy 1" wrote:ok so let me get this striaght none of you guys hunt hay fields or plant

food plots?...
nope. cant say i have
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Mark
"muley crazy 1" wrote:ok so let me get this striaght none of you guys hunt hay fields or plant

food plots the only thing i did different was it had a fence. it wasnt in a

pen it was a 100 acres with a fence.

anyways i can hunt anywhere i want
No, I don't hunt food plots and I don't hunt hay fields. And neither did you in this case. Your elk was inside of a fenced enclosure. You hunted an elk that had no opportunity to escape you in a 100acre enclosure (pen). That's not what most of us consider hunting so don't try to defend it as such.

What you did was legal and I am not putting you down for it. If you want to shoot animals in fenced enclosures, go for it. It's your money and it's your "sport." You can even call it hunting if it makes you feel better about it.

The only people that will side with you on this matter are those that hunt enclosures. I don't think you'll find much support on this site. From the sound of your very first post on the subject you're not finding a lot of support anywhere in the hunting community.

You can't compare the agricultural fields or food plots to fenced hunts. It's not even close to being the same. But like you said, you can't "hunt" anywhere you want.
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AGCHAWK
Muley Crazy 1, just a like a couple others pointed out...you ASKED for our opinions. If you don't want to hear the answer, don't ask the question.
I agree 100% with NONYA and Mark...and most everyone else on the subject.

Coloradobuck, no one is carrying out a personal attack...we answered the question that Muley Cazy 1 asked us honestly and directly, nothing more.
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yes you are right but thanks for your comments hahaha just kidding
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killerbee
the one thing i do strongly think should be stated is although like i said before i'm not at all for it but we do need to remember the bigger fight is for the anti's. even though it's not what we consider hunting, there is enough people who do call it hunting that we need to keep them on the pro - hunting side. we should save are battles for bigger things.


BUT I STILL WOULD NOT CALL IT HUNTING.
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NONYA
Canned hunting is the antis hole card,they use footage of poorly done pen hunts to bring people who have no opinion about hunting to their side.Its not hunting at all,its killing stock with a hunting weapon,its in poor taste and it endagers all of our hunting futures.You cant be pasive to it when it is being used by the antis to take away your rights,it also endagers all the wild game in your state,the ONLY cases of CWD found in Montana were in PENNED elk herds,you hear storys of these animnals escaping all the time,do you wan to loose your wild elk herds because jo blow let a few elk out of his pens?The if its legal its ok attitude will not protect your free ranging herds from these operations,think about it. :nono:
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MuleyMadness
Nuff said on this topic, officially locked.
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bigbuck92
once again NONYA i totaly agree with you 100%
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