Poachers

So I was up in bountiful up by the b an herd gun shots sounding like a low caliper weapon I look across the canyon and see too guys with rifles slaughtering some mule deer and some larger animal I quickly called it in I was on the phone with them for over 30 min then it took easily an hour in a half by the time they got up there the loaded up the animals an were gone I would have went and made contact with them or see where they were going or get a license plate but i wasn't familiar with the area on how to get over there. So the officer said he's gonna go back up during the day and find more evidence. It's too bad they couldnt of had better response time.
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a_bow_nut
That is one problem with our conservation officers.They are spread really thin and have a ton of area to cover.
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Ya i know wish there wereva way to better it.. Have more or have a citizens arrest type deal.
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Too bad you couldn't get a plate #
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ridgetop
I wished if the DWR couldn't respond in a qiuck enough manner, they could have a city or county officer detain the people until they get there.
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skysthelimit
That is really unfortunate. They dont have a lot of winter range as it is right there and for people to be up there poaching is terrible. Were they using spotlights? Was this in the middle of the night?
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AGCHAWK
Good for you for calling it in!!!! Too many folks wouldn't have.

I also think that approaching them wasn't the wisest thing to attempt (Glad to hear that you could not...didn't know how to get to where they were). Men with firearms breaking the law may just turn them on you if they feel that they have been busted. It would have been great to get a vehicle description of something like that but you did what you could do. Good on ya!

I hope they catch the SOBs!
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PhillyB
Did you get a description of the vehicle? Color, style, any significant markings?

Many times the smallest detail can break the case wide open.
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it was around 4pm plain day light gave the officer color of the fourwheelers and what they were wearing but nothing other then that. ya that is very true about aprouching them. i would have just followed them very quitly. the dwr never turned anything up other then blood from what they belive four or more animals.
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ColumbiaBasinMDF
Were you close to a reservation? Indians seem to have very overly liberal hunting seasons and bag limits; at least they do in my neck of the woods.
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AGCHAWK
"ColumbiaBasinMDF" wrote:Were you close to a reservation? Indians seem to have very overly liberal hunting seasons and bag limits; at least they do in my neck of the woods.
 You said it, Brother!
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ColumbiaBasinMDF
As far as I am concerned I can care less what Indians do on their reservation land, but when they walk off of reservation land and are on public land they should be made to adhere to the same rules and regulations as the rest of us American citizens especially when it comes to hunting. An answer to the Indian argument about hunting is part of their heritage; well I don't think their heritage includes modern firearms, ATV’s, 4x4's, gps, goretex and camo. If they insist on hunting off reservation land because of their heritage, well let them hunt like their ancestor, with handmade bows and arrows with handmade stone arrowheads, all made of natural materials that they harvested themselves, not from the local store. They should also be made to leave the camo and goretex at home and instead wear buck skin loin cloths and moccasins. Then and only then will they actually be hunting and following tradition.

Those of us that are not Indian, also had ancestors that had to hunt in these lands to survive, the difference is my ancestors used the most modern firearms and hunting gear available to them, along with horses and horse drawn carts with wheels. So using the Indian argument I should be able to hunt just like they do now since it is in my heritage. As far as I can remember back to the history classes, Indians did not have horses, firearms, or the wheel for that matter until that is settlers from England and other European nations landed here.

That’s my 10 cents, if I'm completely wrong please let me know.
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Tonoonyi
"That’s my 10 cents, if I'm completely wrong please let me know."

You are.
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derekp1999
"ColumbiaBasinMDF" wrote:Were you close to a reservation? Indians seem to have very overly liberal hunting seasons and bag limits; at least they do in my neck of the woods.
 By the "B" on the Bountiful bench??? No chance, this is pure white man country.

Rookie, well done for doing your best. I hope something good comes of it, poaching is a terrible mess all along the Wasatch Front.
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ColumbiaBasinMDF
"Tonoonyi" wrote:"That’s my 10 cents, if I'm completely wrong please let me know."

You are.
 Please explain why I am wrong
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MuleyMadness
I'm with Tonoonyi on this one...

Your thread above is confusing to me?
As far as I am concerned I can care less what Indians do on their reservation land, but when they walk off of reservation land and are on public land they should be made to adhere to the same rules and regulations as the rest of us American citizens
 THEY ARE subject to the same rules/regulations as everyone else are they not? I mean who said there weren't?
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MuleyMadness
Guys,

This thread has gotten completely off track IMO. We went from Poachers to comparing them to Native Americans? Bad idea IMO.

First off the area (like already mentioned) is NO WHERE near a Reservation.

2nd off whether Native Americans have overly liberal hunting seasons or not is besides the point entirely. They are completely in control of their land and can do whatever they choose and it's 100 percent within the law. So like it or not, it's legal.

3rd off this is a sensitive subject and one cannot lump a group of people and portray them in this light that this thread seems to be doing.

Opinions and feelings run VERY deep on this sorta subject, history in this area is sensitive at best. There has already been Native Americans read this thread and taken offense to comments.

There is actual several native Americans that frequent the site, I doubt any of them will be impressed.
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"MuleyMadness" wrote:Guys,

This thread has gotten completely off track IMO. We went from Poachers to comparing them to Native Americans? Bad idea IMO.

First off the area (like already mentioned) is NO WHERE near a Reservation.

2nd off whether Native Americans have overly liberal hunting seasons or not is besides the point entirely. They are completely in control of their land and can do whatever they choose and it's 100 percent within the law. So like it or not, it's legal.

3rd off this is a sensitive subject and one cannot lump a group of people and portray them in this light that this thread seems to be doing.

Opinions and feelings run VERY deep on this sorta subject, history in this area is sensitive at best. There has already been Native Americans read this thread and taken offense to comments.

There is actual several native Americans that frequent the site, I doubt any of them will be impressed.

Well said!!! I was going to say something but u put it well. =D> =D> =D>
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You really hate to see people get away with stuff like that! Poachers are going to ruin hunting for the rest of us who put in the time and hard work to harvest animals legally and enjoy hunting for what it is.
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ColumbiaBasinMDF
reservation land is reservation land and they have their own laws and regualtions when it comes to that land, my concern is what happens on public land.
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