Rage or Muzzy's

So I want to shoot new broadheads this year and I'm debating on the Muzzy MX-3's or the 3 bladed Rage broadheads. What are your guys opinions on these broadheads. I'll be using them on muleys. Any input would be good.
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PhillyB
Lots of info on the site regarding this topic...

But you will probably find valid arguments for both broadheads, and someone will mention G5's.

Personally, I have had bad luck with mechanical broadheads. I switched back to Muzzy and glad I did.
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southwind
I used to swear off mechanical until I tried Rage 2 blade broadheads. I have used them with stellar results for several years now. Personally I would go with the two blade and not the three.

There is a big following for both you have mentioned and quite honestly I don't think you would go wrong with either. I guess what has impressed me most about the Rage is the blood trail they leave.......never never had any broadhead perform like them.

If you do a thread search you will find a lot of activity on this subject.
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PhillyB
"southwind" wrote:I guess what has impressed me most about the Rage is the blood trail they leave.
 Very good point. The 2" gaping hole left by the Rage is going to be hard to beat.

The advantage of the Muzzy's is the ability to break bone. I can say from personal experience, Rage will not break bones, they just skip off them or fold the blades back almost flat.

Just my two cents.
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firefighterbraun
Well I can't give any personal preference since I shoot Crimson Talons and love those. But from what I've heard, both are really good and just depends on if you want a fixed or mechanical broadhead. More important than what kind of broadhead, is where you are able to place the broadhead when shooting. :thumb
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I like the rage 100gr. two blade as well. They do fly just like field tips. I think they handle wind a little better than the muzzy's. But I also carry a 125gr muzzy if i have to finish anything off.
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Ive killed plenty of deer with muzzys and I would never say a bad thing about them, but you cant compare the blood trails you get with rage. The damage they do is amazing. I do agree that they are not the best for going through bone but on a good solid clean hit they are the best in my opinion.
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Just curious , but what broad head are you currently shooting and why do you want to change. I used to shoot Rocket Ultimate Steel 100s and had good success with them but just wanted to change too, so I went to Slick -trick 4 blade 100's. I was not sure about a 4 blade, but looked at many different broadheads and after some reseach decided to try the slick trick. I have hunted with them twice now and have been pretty fortunate to take an elk and muley with them, these little bity 4 blades fly awesome and are devistating on impact...Just some food for thought...
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nuttinbutchunks
Muzzy gets my vote. They are bad to the bone.
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stewberd23
NMHUNTNUT, I am currrently shooting muzzy 3 blade 75 grains, but i have a bigger stronger bow and wanted to shoot 100 grains.

Thanks for all the input
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muzzy all the way! i shoot the 100gr. 3 blade from muzzy. i have 3 rages that are pritty much garbage, IMO last year i shot a badger or at least shot at a badger at 30 yds SMACK!!!! right between the cry balls. the way the rages are shaped it bounced off his head. and Ive had nothing but good luck with muzzys!
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Bowuntr
I've been shooting Muzzy's for almost 20 years. Currently shooting the MX3. Shoot the Muzzy. Ed F
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I would personally pick the muzzy. I have used mechanicals on whitetails in Illinois with very good results but live in Oregon now and mechanicals are illegal so the choice is easy.
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Shedfreak88
I've been shooting the G5 T3's and love em. Big debate on what broadheads to get and it came down to the T3's or the Rage 2 blade. A few friends shoot the Rage 2 and 3 blade broadheads, the only complaint they have it sometimes the blades deploy in thier quiver and sometimes in flight. With these T3's I've never had that problem. The spider clip design does its job very well. I'd check em out if you get a chance.
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hardstalk
I've shot rage 2 blades before and they can be absolutely devastating. Down side to me was when one opened prior to hitting the target and i watched my arrow fly off track by a couple feet. My theory is when your bow hunting you have enough variables against you the last thing you want to worry about is your arrow staying true after tons of practice and you finally get an oppurtunity at an animal. ive also shot muzzys but after purchasing a new bow and getting up in the 300 f.p.s range i could not get them to fly as straight as i would like. I ended up buying the g5 montec and love how they are spin tested for a true flight they shoot great with my new setup. I would say try to find a dealer with a broad head range and see if he will let you shoot a couple different types to see what flys best with your setup. My local dealer opened up a couple packs and let me go to town with them before purchasing the g5.
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I like the 2blade rage an also use the meat seeker both do massive damage
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Hoss
Rage are devastating.... Like the commercial says, its like throwing an axe through an animal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Can't go wrong with the Muzzys.
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all i have to say is RAGE!!!but the new ulmer edge looks pretty awesome!
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Mularcher
I've been using the Rage two blade the last couple years with no real problems except deploying them on my quiver which is annoying when you have a buck at 40 yards.... so this year I decided to compare the Rage to Wac'em, Muzzy MX-3 & G5 Striker all 100 grain. It won't be scientific but I'm looking for the best flyers and penetration.
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muzzy makes a very good broadhead that is bad to the bone i have shot them for a while but was having a problem with the blades being bent or damaged after only a few shot but they were the blue four blade one. i switched to the G5 montec and they are buy the best flying most strongest broadhead head out there and you can sharpen then when they dull out.
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i shoot rage but i would like to change to the ulmer edge!!its like rage on steroids!
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Rage 3 blade will beat any muzzy any day
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I love the ease of the Rage and how accurate they are. Never tried the Muzzy so I can not comment. The elk I shot at 60 yards bled out the far side as she ran I could see the blood squirt.... It is an amazing Hole that is left.... Gonna try Shwacker this year as I like how they will penetrate bone... Work great on Rabbits!!!!!
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Mularcher
"1azbowhunter" wrote:i shoot rage but i would like to change to the ulmer edge!!its like rage on steroids!
I know I’m comparing apples and oranges here but I’m down to Ulmers Edge’s & Wac’em Triton’s

Mech.
Ulmers Edge’s. 7075 Aluminum alloy ferrule being harder than the normal 6061, sharp chisel tip but the blades are single bevel and somewhat dull to the touch but I’m sure they are sufficient to cut flesh. Cut Dia. 1-1/2”. They fly exactly like field points out to 90 yards.

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Wac’ems. Nothing not to love, Hardened stainless steel, Extremely Sharp Dbl bevel Very nice broadhead, Cut Dia. 1-1/32”. I haven’t had the chance to shoot at distance.
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PhillyB
There is a guy on Archery Talk that built a "Ulmer Rage" as he calls it. It is the Ulmer Edge Ferrule with the 2" blades from a Rage. He claims it flies like a dart and has a 2" cut.

Somewhere in here if anyone is interested
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1790525&page=10&p=1064522722#post1064522722

Here is a link to a BH test with all makes and models. Pretty extensive test so you can see how different heads stack up
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgJEvQwzfDRZdGxzdC15R0JIZDJGQ1J4bVpGV1pTWHc#gid=0

BTW, I still vote Muzzy standard 100g. They have been around for a long time for one reason. They get the job done without fail. :thumb
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Mularcher
Wow Nice idea that will take care of the dull blades the Ulmer's have.
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PhillyB
"Mularcher" wrote:Wow Nice idea that will take care of the dull blades the Ulmer's have.
 With that setup, each broadhead would be worth about $20-$25 bucks!

That's an expensive head if you miss and it hits something hard... But to each his own.

I can still get 6 muzzy heads that are plenty sharp for $25. Hard to beat that :thumb
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hardstalk
Glad you like the wacems mularcher. Ive been playing with them this year as well and like the replacable blade. Shoots identical to the g5montec out to 80 but i can shoot the same head in practice swap the blades and hunt knowing its on and sharp.
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Mularcher
"PhillyB" wrote:With that setup, each broadhead would be worth about $20-$25 bucks!

That's an expensive head if you miss and it hits something hard... But to each his own.

I can still get 6 muzzy heads that are plenty sharp for $25. Hard to beat that :thumb
Yeah I’m not saying I’d be running out and buying two sets of broadheads to make one good one but I like the guys ingenuity to make a better product. My guess is you’ll see a Ulmer with the same size blades next year maybe sharp too.
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Mularcher
"hardstalk" wrote:Glad you like the wacems mularcher. Ive been playing with them this year as well and like the replacable blade. Shoots identical to the g5montec out to 80 but i can shoot the same head in practice swap the blades and hunt knowing its on and sharp.

I do like the Wac’ems Thanks to BOHNTR I gave them a try. I was able to shoot them at distance the last couple nights and they are dead Nuts the same as my field points out to 90 yards. What was shocking is I had a tighter group with Wac’ems than the mechanicals I’ve been shooting not by much but they were tighter which I never thought possible. Maybe I’ve haven’t had my past bows in tune or something but I never could get other big named Fixed blades to fly this good? Can’t go wrong with Wac’ems cut-on-contact and the Solid stainless steel ferrule.
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stewberd23
I've heard a lot of positive things about Wac'ems, I think i'm going to have to give them a try!
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hardstalk
mularcher do you have a 90 yard range at your house? or do you head to sam boyd and blow out the bales :) im right on the vegas hendertucky border.
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Mularcher
I wish I could shoot 90 yards at the house lol no I carry a couple targets in the desert near College and I215. I'm able to change the distance and height of the target's.
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hardstalk
Ive got a hundred yard range at the house. And a 36'x8 foot tall x 18" thick styrofoam back stop if you have more reviews to do. On sunset & pecos.
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BOHNTR
Glad they worked out for you mularcher. Post up some photos after you let the air out of a good critter this fall!
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PhillyB
"hardstalk" wrote:Ive got a hundred yard range at the house. And a 36'x8 foot tall x 18" thick styrofoam back stop if you have more reviews to do. On sunset & pecos.
 Hardstalk and Mularcher,
We should get together and fling some arrows. We tried to hook up a few times, it just didnt work out with scheduling. I have a couple different targets I can bring for something to shoot at. Also, I have a number of different BH's you guys can try at longer distances if you want. :thumb

I went out this morning with my deer target and shot 110 yds at the range behind Sam Boyd. Its not a bad spot if you bring your own target. You can tell its getting close to hunting season though, it was a packed house this morning at 6am.
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Mularcher
"BOHNTR" wrote:Glad they worked out for you mularcher. Post up some photos after you let the air out of a good critter this fall!
 BOHNTR
I'm scrambling for a hunt, Out of 12 draws I got tag soup this year. I picked up an mule deer OTC for Arizona back in January & didn't see much. Not real familiar with the area but I'll give it a try next month. Trying to put a archery hunt together in South Dakota too.
"hardstalk" wrote:Ive got a hundred yard range at the house. And a 36'x8 foot tall x 18" thick styrofoam back stop if you have more reviews to do. On sunset & pecos.
 Wow that's a nice range at the house. Must be close to Newton's place? Yeah that would be fun to check out.

"PhillyB" wrote: Hardstalk and Mularcher,
We should get together and fling some arrows. We tried to hook up a few times, it just didnt work out with scheduling. I have a couple different targets I can bring for something to shoot at. Also, I have a number of different BH's you guys can try at longer distances if you want. :thumb.
 Sounds good to me I free most weekends or weekday evenings.
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hardstalk
Phil and mularcher ill shoot you both a p.m with my number so we can get together hopefully this week if the rains dont roll in. I head out next week for the "hell week" 3 tags to fill in 10 days. And yes newton is my neighbor. Wish i had that size lot to shoot in!
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Mularcher
Sound good, I work back behind Silver State Archery which apparently is closed now?
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PhillyB
"Mularcher" wrote:Sound good, I work back behind Silver State Archery which apparently is closed now?
 I had nothing but bad dealings with that shop. Three trips and three incidences. After speaking with other guys in the valley, I wasn't the only one.
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hardstalk
Use to go there it was close to me. And was nice to shoot in the a/c boomer owned the shop and now works for pse in arizona. Had some good stories about the shop and some not so good. Now i use hoss at d.o.s hes a small shop but spends the time to make sure your happy.
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PhillyB
"hardstalk" wrote:Use to go there it was close to me. And was nice to shoot in the a/c boomer owned the shop and now works for pse in arizona. Had some good stories about the shop and some not so good. Now i use hoss at d.o.s hes a small shop but spends the time to make sure your happy.
 Where is his shop at?
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Mularcher
Yeah same issues here, I used to stop in on my lunch hour just to talk hunting. Pacific Archery is a long drive from this side.
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hardstalk
D.o.s is out there! Its off 95 and the 215 beltway left on jones he is a union electrician who runs the shop on his free time he sells alot of bowtech. And consignment stuff. Guy at work turned me onto him. If you head over there tell him andrew sent you. I have some vortex spotters on display there. Its actually called desert outdoor sports. He also has a hooter shooter which will answer any doubts you have on your equipment.
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Turokman123
I like the Rage, they tune way better
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I killed a bull last year with a rage two blade broadhead. It worked pretty good but only penetrated about half an arrows dept. I was hesitant to use them again this year but did because of convenience which was a bad idea. I shot a huge six point bull 2 days ago at 20 yards right behind the shoulder and got about 4 inches of penetration. I tracked the bull for most of the following day and couldnt find him. I found the arrow and confirmed the weak penetration. I feel terrible for most likely fatally wounding such a majestic animal and not finding him. I now hate rage broadheads and will absolutely never use them again. Tomorrow I am going to buy new arrows and broadheads that are harder hitting.
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StickFlicker
I have killed probably 20 or more animals with the Rage, including a bull elk many near elk sized animals (Kudu, Gemsbok, Blue Wildebeest, Waterbuck etc.). They have performed perfectly in largely every case. I did have a penetration issue on one of the smallest animals, a javelina, but it may have gone through the animal and hit a rock that it was standing next to, causing the arrow to appear to "bounce off" the animal. The shot was a little high, so not enough evidence to blame the broadhead, but I do not think it was likely at fault. I do on occasion used fixed blade heads, every tool has times when it is the best tool for the job, but I mostly use Rage these days. Here's a photo of an entry wound from about two weeks ago. The shot went perfectly through the heart (slightly quartering away shot). Hard to argue with a good flying arrow that makes holes like that!
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