Score this bull.\Try this one again

How about a rough score of umm....say ZERO!! :)

No image.

no pic, no score

yup no pic

Can I see a spread and possibly the other side view? The G4 and G5 on the opposite side look small, but maybe it's just the angle.

My guess as it sits without the other views would be 375".

good looking bull, another pic would be nice, but im thinking 365-370

9er

Those back tines diving down are awesome. I agree more angles would make it a little better.

But I'm going with a 380 score. I might be a bit high, but he looks to have good mass, not sure on the width.

I will go with about 368.

360

360-370. maybe

I wouldnt put anything above 365 his main beams arnt that long and the other side of the bull looks like it is really laking on his sword and his G4 G5 also but still a really nice bull.

oh id say in the 280 to 290 range. and yes thats a 2 in front. where people are getting above 350 is insane!

Okay I'll admit my score is HIGH, but this...

id say in the 280 to 290 range.

is for sure WAY LOW. :)

"killerbee" wrote:oh id say in the 280 to 290 range. and yes thats a 2 in front. where people are getting above 350 is insane!

It looks like math may not have been one of your better subjects in school. Apparently it's still a challenge for you!

I used addition to come up with my score. What kind of math did you use?

I admit I may be high too, but to come up with a score anywhere under 350 is insane! But then again, I may be wrong. It's happened before.

this is how people get fooled by outfitters. my math came from being there on the kill, personally puting my tape on the horns, spotting the bull the night before and so on- this bull was killed in northen new mexico that my cousins { rileyhunter} hunter shot- lesson learned pictures can make or break a bull. these are very good pictures. oregon boy can conferm this story :) it is a cool framed bull though isn't it with those main's falling off the way they do!!! :thumb

WHAT MATH class was that again??

Lets see some more pictures of the bull then, cause I'm not convinced yet.

Any more angles or pics?

"killerbee" wrote:this is how people get fooled by outfitters. my math came from being there on the kill, personally puting my tape on the horns, spotting the bull the night before and so on- this bull was killed in northen new mexico that my cousins { rileyhunter} hunter shot- lesson learned pictures can make or break a bull. these are very good pictures. oregon boy can conferm this story :) it is a cool framed bull though isn't it with those main's falling off the way they do!!! :thumb

Well then, I guess that gives you the advantage here, doesn't it? We asked for various angles, and by the tone of your post the picture seemed to be taken in such a way as to suggest it was a larger bull. (lesson learned pictures can make or break a bull. these are very good pictures.)

If you taped it out at 280 to 290, that's what it scores. There are obviously some deductions that we can't see from the one pic. We also don't have the luxury of seeing the body for a size comparison, do we?

If I had to guess again, I would still put that bull at over 350 based on the apparent mass, apparent tine lengths and apparent overall mains. I wasn't aware that your cousin was trying to fool anybody with the picture. You guys showed me! I guess I learned my lesson!

not saying what did or didn't happen with this bull as i have no idea on the backround of it. but after reading marks post it reminded me how absolutely ridiculous I think it is when people lie about the size of an animal in their pictures. theres SO many of these insecure losers (again, just my opinion) who sit 5 feet behind the animal, or who think they get away with it by still holding or touching the horns but having their arms fully extended as far as they canto make it look bigger. It's stupid, be satisfied with what you got, if your not happy with it the way it is then DONT TAKE ITS LIFE!! You don't all have to try to be the hot shot of the season with every pic. you take. Another opinion of mine is in a lot of cases it makes the pics look half retarded anyways.. anymore it's gotten to the point that that's the first thing i look at on most hunting pictures.

anyways, dont mean to complain - i was just venting again.. must be tired, better go to bed before i find somethin else i dont like and bore you all with that :thumb

(in this pic its hard to see for me cause its fairly small and not the most focused picture ive seen, but still i'd say i dont care if this bull scores 250 - he's a trophy to be proud of and doesnt need any fancy photo work to try and show him off with. Just be honest and feel good about yourself with what ya got - or if it's for a "company" then paint the picture that's realistic for people.. otherwise you'll be telling people one thing and sending them home with unfulfilled dreams and overall unsatisfied - all my opinion.. id better stop annoying you all now)

Ok guys heres the scoop. The other day I came across a new brocher for an outfitter that I worked for in the past. Looking over the pics I came across this one. The first two things that came to mind was 1 what the heck is that green blob on my face and 2 where the heck did that bull come from? Then I realized what bull that was. Looking at the picture you bet the bull looks like a 330-350 bull. But in all reality the bull only scored about 290. Regardless of the score the hunter was very happy to take a trophy class bull. This happens all the time with outfitters. Its called misrepresenting a hunt. Dont get me wrong their are a lot of honest outfitters out their but even a lot of those will mislead you with pics.selling you on a "TROPHY HUNT" sometimes even garunteed. I realize that most of you out their are avid hunters and probably would not use an outfitter but for those that do choose to go on a guided hunt always research I dont think I can stress that enough. Go online and check out the many hunter reviews. Call these guys that have hunted with the chosen outfit, they want to tell you their story.
Any fairgame animal taken is a trophy in my book,its not about the horns its about the hunt,and the memories that will last a lifetime. The truth is that picture is misleading and their are many hunters out their that are spending a lot of hard earned money only to be let down. Not to mention going on a dream hunt and having it turn out to be a nightmare.(remember to research the outfitter as best as you can.) Just giving my two cents.

hold on this is not trick photography- it is a picture that turned out good. I dont care who you are or what outfit their is you are always going to see the best pictures their is for each animal. i couldn't agree more , it is a trophy, very cool looking bull. more pictures could help. i believe the first reply of a high score induced the other high scores, thus my reason for coming in with my score. yes i did know. but to get bent out of shape a rag a person down for being a way different score is maybe uncalled for dont you think??{MATH CLASS} more pics will come. but in reality this happens to often.makes you wonder about other pictures we've all seen. and how big some of the bulles really are.

killerbee

Good point, well taken. Maybe the pic could have been prepped with "what does this bull score, it may be lower than you think"

just a thought, but it does look certainly bigger than the score for sure.

"killerbee" wrote:{MATH CLASS}

I'm pretty sure you directed that at me, correct? I suppose my "beat down" with the math comment was set-up by the rather insane sounding score of 290. I know it's not trick photography. I asked for more pics to make a better judgement. In reality, I don't give a ratz butt what it scores! It's a nice bull. Stand in my shoes for a minute. If I had posted the pic knowing it scored 290, what do you suppose you might have guessed?

This entire thread took a turn for the worse when you outed the bull as being killed (guided?) by someone you know (your cousin). It should never have been put out there the way it was represented in the first place. If it was my deal, I would have told the story as it was. I would not have brought it here and played the "guess what he scores" game knowing it LOOKS BIGGER than it really is and then coming back with the "I know it only scored this because I was there" BS.

The way it played out, the photo was obvioulsy misrepresented by an outfitter and then brought here for no other purpose than to teach me (us?) a lesson. Yep. I learned a lesson all right. But it's not the one you were teaching.

Based on the photo provided and the way I interpreted your very first post here, I would still put that bull in the 350 class. You tossed a really low number out there and you knew all along that the pic misrepresented the real score. What did you expect to happen?

With that said, I'm done with this thread. And now I have one more reason to never hire an outfitter.

mark jones

Another point well taken! :)

Yep this thread has had enough.