What a beast...and what a joke!

Aint the first time its surfaced

http://www.muleymadness.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11129

Just a big farm raised piece of livestock :>/

Rulon Jones is a wrestler right? Won Gold, almost died 2 times from not being smart. That the right guy?

rulon jones the former broncos football player .

"zatarain6" wrote:rulon jones the former broncos football player .

:thumb

"camodup" wrote:Aint the first time its surfaced

http://www.muleymadness.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11129

OOPS! I didn't recognize it from this thread.

Someone shot one heck of a piece of meat....LOL. I read the Admin posts under the picture and HAD to respond. Am I wrong in my post? Whether I am or not, I just don't see the appeal in shooting something that is penned up (no matter how big the enclosure) and paid a bounty to kill.

Its gotta be tough to kill that thing... with all the scare tissue from where the steroid needles entered the skin :))

I've left two comments that I guess they don't want on the board. Both asked the same question of how can a high fenced hunt be considered fair chase (???)

Jeremy, I didn't see you comment on there either. My guess is they don't want future clients to read anything from real hunters and ethics.

Browse through the site and there is one part where they say they have BIGGER bulls than this one.

Mine is not on there either :>/

Yes rulon jones was a foot ball player. He also has a high fenced ranched up here in norther utah. In fact i took a drive up there last week and glassed around he has a few monsters roaming around.

Now that's funny!! They deleted our posts?!?!?!? I suppose that goes to show you right there what kind of outfit it is.

I also questioned how "high fenced" can be "fair chase", said a few things about how the elk were no different than free ranging cattle, how bulls in the wild would be pretty hard pressed to pack on that kind of mass without suplimental feed (steroids), etc. I was very civil about it though....but I guess that doesn't matter.

Idiots

it took about 4 days for them to post my comment but no reply . trying to find out if the person who posted the picture in our breakroom at work really shot the elk .

(camodup) WAY TO FUNNY!! I AGREE lol 10sign:

I thought you guys knew that "High Fence" = Natural. I was not aware that canned hunts were the same as real hunting so I'm glad the site admin over there educated me. Its gotta be hard for these guys to let people shoot their pets. (read sarcasm)

oh come on people. is there any big elk shot that you guys dont bash the hunter for shootn. i say congrats to the hunter. shot on high french or not i dont care there is no need to put some one down for shootn a monster bull. i swear if a world record was shot in Colorado ya'l would swear it was a high fenced even if it was a fair chase. not to put any one down or insult anyone thats not my intent but to put some one down like some of you all are doin is sad in its self. so again congrats to the hunter who shot this pig of an elk and it is a fine trophy. we all no those types of hunts aint our cup of tea but for others thats what they do thats what they no to do. do i like those types of hunts? no i dont i like fair chase . and this is comein from a guy that been huntn my whole life and have only shot once cow2 years ago. havent shot a bull and i dont care,but, am i jealous of this bull oh heck yes i am well i bash the shooter no i will not. thats just my two cents and i hope i didnt insult any one if i did my apologizes.-Ron

This is far from hunting. its an insult to the sport and a huge reason why so many people frown on the phrase "trophy hunting". To a true hunter, trophy hunting is having a set goal in mind for an animal that you want to achieve and if you do not, coming home empty handed just means a great time was spent hunting and there is always next season. To this type of operation, It means how much money are you writing on that check. http://www.utahelkhunt.com/content/hunts.html. this is his website for the prices to his hunts. If you fork over just over $6,000 you are GUARANTEED a chance at a bull, UP TO 340. But you cannot shoot anything bigger than than unless you "upgrade" which he will not list prices on because they go up astronomically. I agree thats one heck of an elk, but that is no trophy. The hunter had him chosen and picked, before he ever set foot in the field. its not like they were hard at hunting and as luck would have it the giant appeared... the giant appeared in a picture and the hunter paid in full before he ever put a sight on him. I understand this is some people's preferred way of killing an animal, but it is not hunting when its a guarantee.

like i said i before to this hunter that is a trophy to me that IS a TROPHY!! all guided hunts are money grabs even fair chase. now tell me if it was a fella in wheel chair or a something would you still feel the same way?? this is why i dont come on this site any more is post like this i used to love comeing to this site when people congratulated people on there kill not bash them and call them not a "TRUE" hunter as you so nicely put it. but i will never bash someone or call him not a true hunter ever no matter the deal. now if its a pouched animal that is a no go deal for me thats a not a true hunter in my books . and on that note im done with this post. - ron

Yeah it is a monster, but it is no different than me buying a bull elk calf, raising it in a pen for 5 or 6 years while stuffing it full of supplements and steroids, then leading it out into the 'woods', taking the leash off, shooting it, then saying it was fair and natural because he could move around freely. Animals taken on canned hunts have no business being in the record books.

If someone conducted a drug test on this bull like the ones professional athletes have to do, I am sure the results would show un-natural substances in it.

I don't have a problem with people shooting animals like that (fenced etc) as long as they don't make it look like they are hunting. It should go in a cattle magazine as a record, NOT SCI or BnC. I don't think it will qualify for either and that is telling in itself. If it does then I have far less respect for the publication.

Great elk and a congratulations? Absolutely!
Making it look like you "hunted" the animal? LAME!

I don't have a problem with folks spending whatever kind of money they can afford to go on a hunt they love, but a non-fair chase hunt is just a glorified cattle killing IMHO.

Thanks for posting though I love to see them either way.

It turns out that SCI "approves" some high fence hunting estates and will allow the animals into the book.

Now that's a joke.

To use a line from O Brother, Where Art Thou? (one of my favorite movies):

"Oh, George... not the livestock."

^^^^^
hahaha now that's bonified!

Love that movie

Rulon Jones, All Pro defensive end for the Denver Broncos. Really can't see him as an elk hunter or guide. Oh well. Guess you never know.

"sewing" wrote:I don't have a problem with people shooting animals like that (fenced etc) as long as they don't make it look like they are hunting. It should go in a cattle magazine as a record, NOT SCI or BnC. I don't think it will qualify for either and that is telling in itself. If it does then I have far less respect for the publication.

Great elk and a congratulations? Absolutely!
Making it look like you "hunted" the animal? LAME!

I don't have a problem with folks spending whatever kind of money they can afford to go on a hunt they love, but a non-fair chase hunt is just a glorified cattle killing IMHO.

Thanks for posting though I love to see them either way.

To quote the Admin of their site,
"It is a very fair chase, natural, high fenced elk hunt."

I personally don't think there is such a thing. I don't care how many acres there are.That statement is an oxymoron. If there is a fence it is not natural or fair chase. Period. I also don't think B & C (according to their rules of which I approve) will allow it in the record books. OT

In my mind , its operations like this that drive hunting into the gutter.I'm just curious what this hunter/shooter did after he shot the bull? You know its all about the head gear for this joker and thats fine I guess , but what about the meat, the experiance of the hunt , was it even a hunt or just a hide and seek type of deal? Any and all high fence canned hunts suck! I went to TX a couple years back and hunted Temple Thompson Ranch, almost every animal wasn't spooked , had to throw rocks at younger rams to get them to press on and every ram had holes in thier ears from ear tags as if purchased at some kind of hunting game sell barn.Just rubbed me the wrong way I guess...

Nice Elk!! I have no problem with some one shooting a elk in a fenced in area. Its just like some one going out and buying a mount to put in there restaurant, Just dont try and tell me its the new state record! Any fence, high or low is not fair chase hunting in my book. This elk is awsome, but i consider it to be just like a high priced painting. Any one could have killed this elk, skilled or un skilled at elk hunting. It went to the highest bidder!!!

so if i shot a world recored on a ranch that had a low fence manly used for cattle not a high fence but a low fence thats not fair chase even tho the animal can jump over it?? ive hunted such ranches so does that make me an unethical hunter? now correct me if im wrong but that seems a little naive to me. but its your opinion i respect it 100% but in my opinion is that bull is a hell of an animal high fence or not. im not tryn to offend any one im just sayin what i feel so im sorry if i make some of ya'l mad! lol -Buck

What I ment was that any fence that keeps game from being able to come and go as they please should not be considered in the record books. I didnt think about cadle fences. I agree with what you have said in your posts. I just dont think it should go in the record books. If they wont to start a new record book for farm elk, im fine with it.

Also I dont get mad at your posts :) Its nice to have some debate topics with, if we all agreed, it would get old fast!

Thanks for your posts- ColoradoBuck

haha boy it would get old real fast. but another question is what if its 700,000 acres and it was all fenced? thats a lot of acres and there is no sayn in when you kill an elk or how big. im just sayn if its like a 50 acre ranch or anything under 10,000 yea i agree thats not right. but 10,000 and up is alot of land to hunt and for elk to hide. if they keep them in pens then release them the night before or that day that aint right but if its a big i mean 10,000 an up amount of land and the elk are liven like wild elk in completely free range isnt that some one ethical? now i dont know the hole story to this bull or how big the land was but seems alittle funny to me to have a huge amount of privetly owned land and have it set for huntn wild style i dont see whats wrong with that but to each his own thats what makes this country awesome! haha -Buck

This is the the web page for the ranch where the elk was shot! They say that there elk kills are 100 %. Also if I want I can shoot an elk that scores 600!!!! :)) Love to know price of 600 inch elk :)





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But is the meat safe to eat and taste as good after being shot up with steroids all it's life? Might be dangerous to hunt a rutting bull with "roid rage". :-k lol
Mark

Pretty soon there going to have to drug test animals, before they put them in the record books :))