Wolves and coyote

Dont think this yoter was to smart going in here with a pack of wolves.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fAoszVLRP6U
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killerbee
wow, stinks to be that coyote. would love to be sittin there with a rifle shooting them all!!! :222 :222
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brn2hunt
i agree kill them all :222 :1 :222 :333
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MuleyMadness
I actually saw this entire show in KUED I believe it was about 2 weeks ago. VERY cool show indeed. It was about a certain pack of wolves in Yellowstone but also covered other animals in the process.

So whoever put in on YouTube kinda annoys me, because they obviously stole it and posted without authorization to do so.

Cool show though, you guys should see the whole entire thing. AWESOME stuff.
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TheGreatwhitehunter
I hate wolves. They really have screwed things up in the West.
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NONYA
Our ancestors spent YEARS knocking them down to a controllable number then the US GOVT in its infinate ignorance decided we needed them back,now we are going to have to PAY to knock them down again...whatever....
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AntlersOutWest
Wish I had a gun with a scope on it.. For sure..


I would have a problem killing off every last one.
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sucks for the coyote. i wouldnt mind huntn wolves but i belive that they are good in some ways, not all but some. their bad if they get out of hand but some areas have benifeted in having wolves.
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killerbee
"Coloradobuck" wrote: some areas have benifeted in having wolves.
how? i'm not a wolf expert,and i could be absolutly 100% wrong [ so someone can feel free to correct me] but i've heard that the wolves that have been transplanted are not even from the same type of wolves that originally were here. the timber wolf was the one that lived in the states and after it went extinct they have transplanted the arctic wolf , which is way more aggressive. then to top it off for yrs nobody could do anything about them getting out of control. luckily some states are starting to get the idea and hunting will start. i wouldn't care if they never showed up in oregon, although i've heard they are already here.
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AGCHAWK
Killer, below is a post I made about the same subject a while back. It has some links to some great info and some that I threw into the post itself. It was in response to someone elses post so I edited it a bit and took references out (I have all the respect in the world for the individual but didn't feel right bringing him into this post without asking him. He can jump in if he wants)

Just so everyone knows....I am pretty torn on this subject....but not blind either. We have extirpated and endangered a large number of animals in their native land and would love to see us continue in our quest to right the wrongs. However, in my opinion, this attempt was not thought out properly and has not progessed in a manner inwhich most of us would accept.

I can think of other similar efforts that we all love. For example, the Bighorn Sheep reintroduced into many western states, Elk into various eastern states and areas in the west where the population was poor, Bison, and Pronghorn...just to name a few. So if you are going to bash the various state wildlife organizations then you better be thanking them at the same time. I think it's pretty unfair to ignore the good and riot because of the bad.

With that being said, I do not blame anyone inparticular. Various species of wolf exsisted here for hundereds of years. We selfishly wiped them out long ago because they didn't fit into our agenda and created this issue in the first place. However, the "failures" of the reintroduction have been no better. Again, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. Hated responses won't change it either so please don't try. However, I would love to hear your HONEST opinions...after all, you're entitled to it.

PLEASE READ BELOW

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I agree to an extent. However, when you introduce a keystone species such as the wolf in an area that has never had to deal with it/has not dealt with it in many many years, it's inevitably going to cause a cascade of negative effects throughout the food web within that ecosystem. In other words, deer and elk populations will be negatively impacted.
Whether or not the re-introduced wolves are Canadian Grey Wolves, North Rocky Mountain Grey Wolves, or Mexican Grey Wolves is irrelevent in my opinion (Not all introduction efforts involve the Canadian Grey). Again, in my opinion, the issue is that the deer and elk have not had to deal with a predator that possesses the smarts that the wolf possesses nor tried to avoid a predator that hunts in packs as well as the wolf.


Without writing a whole paper on this subject and/or my opinions regarding same, please see the attached link. It's a great study on the re-introduction of wolves. Yes, this particular study was written by folks that were concerned with the impact of the reintroduction on hunting and is geared toward such. You can find hundreds of papers written by animal and anti-hunting groups that put a different spin on it. However, there are very few written in this context. For what it's worth, I'm an avid reader and study this sort of stuff all the time and I tend to agree with the attached...regardless of the fact that I am also a hunter.

http://www.aws.vcn.com/fact.html

You are all certainly entitled to your opinion. Stick to your guns my friends, whatever your opinion may be. But please, read the study I posted and ask yourself if the re-introduction is worth the efforts.

To keep it balanced I have attached a link to an interview with Mr. Ed Bangs about his efforts in wolf re-introduction in North America. Again, you can find many, many stories, studies, etc on the web. I would encourage everyone to read as much as they can about this subject and then make up thier OWN minds on whether or not they support these efforts. Disagreeing with the reintroduction and lashing out because of something some told you or something you assumed is not the answer (including ANYTHING I have posted...these are my opinions). Educate yourself on the subject and bring cognative thought to the table...that's the key in my opinion.
http://www.biohabitats.com/ndg_newsite/newsletter/number.10/news.htm#interview
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waynedevore
Just my opinion.

We have lived with the wolves here in Minnesota for as long as we can remember. The people that want wolves or think we need them will never see a wolf or even a sign of them in the wild. It's in prints and in zoo's, the only visual evidence they will ever see of the gray wolf.

These wolves here in MN are the natural thing, and the Moose and deer have evolved to survive.

The prey species of the Central Rockies, has been many generations without wolf predation. The large Canadian Wolves will in time change the mountain game populations as we know them.
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killerbee
HAWK, i did read the first link you posted [ i absolutly will read the second one also, but i'm outta time tonight] and it is very interesting. i would recommend everyone reading it. i'm going to wait till tomorrow till i read the second link before i give my opinion........
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