Wounded Ethics

Dr. Ed Ashby wrote: "Several decades ago, when I first began bowhunting, it was a rare occasion when any bowhunter in our camp hit a big game animal and failed to recover it. As the years went by, I felt that the number of animals being hit by bowhunters and not recovered was escalating. Eventually I became certain that the wounding rate was increasing. Why? What was causing this increase in hit and lost game? The question intrigued me. As I delved into the subject, I found that researchers in the field of wildlife management had already detected the same trend."

Here's a link to Dr. Ashby's work: http://www.tradgang.com/ashby/

Although there are a lot of factors involved, one thing I've noticed over the years is a change in hunter attitudes about wounding. It was once a hunter's shame, but a growing number of hunters are freely admitting to it as though it's some sort of an accomplishment. And in between are those who say that wounding is inevitable, which suggests an attitude of acceptance.

So the question no one seems to think about is that even if you accept the idea that wounding is inevitable, at what frequency does it become something else?
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PhillyB
Great point!
l was always taught (by my Dad and older bro's) that if you hit a deer, you search until you find it. If l had a blood trail, regardless of the size of the animal, the remainder of my trip was spent looking for that animal. Any hunting from that point on consisted of hunting for the down animal. We were never allowed to continue hunting if we hit a buck and didnt find it. It taught us two things; 1)when you see a deer be sure it is one you want to shoot, and 2) both the sport and the animal should be respected
Otherwise it would turn into just what you said, numerous animals being wounded without honest pursuit. It would come down to getting the deer that ended up closest to the road because it was "easier."
Just my 2 cents...
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sneekeepete
You two bring up some great points. The year before I could legally hunt big game I went along with my dad while he was deer hunting to hunt grouse. We ran across a blood trail coming off the top of the mountain with now human tracks behind it. This was my first real tracking experience and he let me track it all the way off the top of the mountain and we finally found him bedded at the base. He was a little forkey that had barely forked and was barely legal. We took a good look at him and he wasn't hit good at all but my dad still harvested him on the second day of the hunt. The buck was definatley somthing that we would have passed on and we juts assumed the hunter that hit him didn't really want to keep something that small so they didn't track him. It was a shame but a great learning experience for me.
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Good stuff!!! That's how I was brought up in hunting as well. The whole family was really upset (i.e. Dad, uncles, Grandpa, cousins, etc) if an animal was ever lost. It was really looked down upon. This is something we need to make sure to pass on, and spread around to those who may think wounding an animal and giving up on the search is an option.
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CodeRED
I agree with all of you on this. The lack of respect and people's ignorance when it comes to this disgusts me. These people that wound without recovery get no respect from me what so ever. This is just as bad as the idiots that destroyed the Vernon hunt for all of the hunters that put in for the area. It is a complete lack of respect for the animal and sport for this to happen. Along with clean kill ethics, I have always been taught to eat what I kill too. I'll be passing that on to my kids too for sure.
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BOHNTR
Just my personal opinion......I think there's a distinct connection to the distance folks are casting arrows at game now to the wound ratio. Wounds can happen at close distances as well, but it's been my experience talking with folks it happens far more at extreme distances.
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CodeRED
You have a good point there, it goes with the clean kill/shot ethics too though... My pins are set out to 60 yards but I would never shoot at anything that far other than a target because of the chance I'm not yet confident that I could make an ethical kill shot. I know I need to get better at hitting targets before I start flipping sticks at an animal that far away.
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I agree with that too many are shooting too far. I limit my shots to 40 yards though I regularly practice out to 80 for Field Archery. The wind with a broadhead will give you fits and the animal has too much time to move too. I cut hair off a buck last year. I don't know if he ducked, I hit something or I just guessed the yardage wrong. I got the arrow back. Followed his tracks for about 1 1/2 miles and never found blood. Saw him happily chasing does a few days later but never got a shot again.
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BOHNTR- You seem to be a seasoned bow hunter. What is your max shot distance in a scenerio where there is none to little wind and the shot is relatively flat. I know there are a ton of variables, like whether you are shooting up hill or down, fixed blade or mechanical, fletching type, etc... What would you feel comfortable with? I know this a "to each is own question", but I respect your opinion and I am only real comfortable out to 40 yards. I'm trying to push it to 50 in a hunting situation. Feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brandon
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BOHNTR
Brandon:

I would say that 90% of the critters I've taken (with a compound) have been 40 yards or less. There have been a few at some further distances (40-63)......depending on the situation.....but those are not the norm. My closest shot was 3 yards on a javelina with my longbow. My longest was 63 yards.....last year (Strip). I actually chose not to shoot at the bigger buck that was right at 70 yards, as it was just too far, IMO. Could I have made that shot.....probably. But I also know that a lot can happen at that distance as well. In fact, looking back, I proabably should have tried to get closer than 63 yards.....but I caved into my own pressure, IMO. Even though I made a heart shot on that buck, in reality, I was aiming for the lungs and shot a bit low, into the heart. A lesson learned and reinforced in the ol' BOHNTR book for sure.

I practice out to 90 yards (compound) routinely and hold fairly tight groups with broadheads at that distance. It's simply not a distance I would ever shoot at an un-wounded animal.......in actuality my final stalk in socks generally begins at 100 yards. Now-a-days you see guys producing videos that are shooting 90-110 yards at critters. Just not for me is all.
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Thanks for the feedback, and I would have to agree with your thinking. Now I just need to get out at longer distances and practice so those 50-60 yard shots get easier and tighter.

Thanks again,

Brandon
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CodeRED
I agree with both of you guys here. Ive had some nice groups on my 60yrd pin IMO but would hate for wind to carry or broadhead to steer anywhere else I aim. 40yrds is my comfort point right now for a kill shot. But, its what YOU feel confident with taking on certain shots... Seems that this is the point where some just sling their arrow without thinkin too much about the recovery. Still disgusts me to think there are people out there shooting at stuff and leaving it to suffer when they think "its not big enough" or "I gave up on the blood trail cause it was too far of a walk".
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I hunted with a recurve from 1964 to 1994 and never took a shot at big game at more than thirty yards.I've been useing compound since. Up close and personal is how I hunt. The stalk is the hunt, for me anyway. I think that all of the hunting shows,( or thirty minute commercials) have put alot of people afield lately that don,t have a clue as far as archery is concerned. I know my limitations. Just because a bow can fling an arrow a quarter mile doesn't mean the person handleing it can control it.
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I agree with all the posts so far. If I take a shot with my compound it is at 30 yards or less. That is my max comfort range. Can I hit at longer distances? Yes. Am I comfortable with the probability of a kill shot. NO!

Respect your abilities and limitations and above all the animal.

A lot can happen in the time it takes for an arrow to travel the distance to the target. How many deer have you seen duck a bow shot at close quarters.

Try this: Have someone use a stop watch while you shoot. Start the stop watch at the release of the arrow and stop it on target impact. Now using that time see how far you can walk. How much distance were you able to move during that time?

An animal does not have to hear your shot to start moving. It could just decide to move because it wanted to.

Point being the closer the shot the fewer variables involved.

My $ .02
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swbuckmaster
I practice out to a 100 yards with the target bow. never practice out past 60 with the hunting bow.
my furthest shot was 35 yards and my closets shot was 5 yards. average was around 20-22 yards.

I did try a shot on a 190 class buck out to 80 yards and it jumped my string and was in the next county when my arrow smacked right where it was standing

I also had a shot on an elk at 55 yards and had the same results.

Lesson learned.
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utbowhunter23
So it has been quite a while since I have been on here, but I come and check things out whenever I can. I couldn't agree more with those of you who stated don't give up regardless. I have helped a few friends find deer with a couple of different tricks. One of my tricks that I have had good success on is stopping and glassing. I have helped friends recover multiple animals by knowing where it was last seen and/or the direction it was headed in then I went to higher ground, planted my butt and glassed. If you use your glasses for locating the animal when it is alive why not use them when it is down or wounded? I mean you look for the same things, ears, antlers, hair etc. Plus if you find it and worst case scenario it is still alive I feel you have two options... one of them being sit and watch until the animal expires, or plan a stalk that will allow you to go in and finish the job without jumping the animal and getting the adrenaline running again. IMO of course.

If you are not willing to put in the effort that it takes to truly harvest an animal and not just shoot it, then you don't deserve to be on the mountain and hold a tag.

I would like to know what some other tricks are that have people used to make sure they harvest their animal?

Good post and best of luck and safe hunting to everyone this upcoming season.
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MULIES4EVER
I like the ethics being represented here. This needs to be heard more than you know. I have been reading Roy's posts for several years on this site as well as others and have learned a lot from him. I highly respect him and others that show such discipline to be more respectful of the animal itself. Good job guys.
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"JLROOT" wrote:I agree with all the posts so far. If I take a shot with my compound it is at 30 yards or less. That is my max comfort range. Can I hit at longer distances? Yes. Am I comfortable with the probability of a kill shot. NO!

Respect your abilities and limitations and above all the animal.

A lot can happen in the time it takes for an arrow to travel the distance to the target. How many deer have you seen duck a bow shot at close quarters.

Try this: Have someone use a stop watch while you shoot. Start the stop watch at the release of the arrow and stop it on target impact. Now using that time see how far you can walk. How much distance were you able to move during that time?

An animal does not have to hear your shot to start moving. It could just decide to move because it wanted to.

Point being the closer the shot the fewer variables involved.

My $ .02
If you use 300ft/sec as an example the math works out very nicely. You can adjust up or down from there but depending on your bow it wont change much unless you are way far from there.

At 300 ft/sec it takes an arrow the following times to hit the target.

10 yds 0.1 sec

20 yds 0.2 sec

30 yds 0.3 sec

40 yds 0.4 sec

50 yds 0.5 sec

60 yds 0.6 sec

70 yds 0.7 sec

80 yds 0.8 sec

90 yds 0.9 sec

100 yds 1 sec

The times are a fraction longer when you get out really far (80-100) because of the curved trajectory you are not really shooting 100 yards you are shooting an arc which is slightly longer than 100 yards but you get the point.

Take those times for what you will. Some may think that is not enough time to react some may think that is plenty of time for the animal to react. I think the animals state of awareness and alertness definitely should be considered when any long shots are attempted.
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[quote="utbowhunter23"]
I would like to know what some other tricks are that have people used to make sure they harvest their animal?
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I have found the best thing to do when tracking a wounded animal is follow the direction that they are taking and find the nearest water. This is what has worked best for me and those I hunt with.
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killerbee
"bjibber" wrote: If you use 300ft/sec as an example the math works out very nicely. You can adjust up or down from there but depending on your bow it wont change much unless you are way far from there.

At 300 ft/sec it takes an arrow the following times to hit the target.

10 yds 0.1 sec

20 yds 0.2 sec

30 yds 0.3 sec

40 yds 0.4 sec

50 yds 0.5 sec

60 yds 0.6 sec

70 yds 0.7 sec

80 yds 0.8 sec

90 yds 0.9 sec

100 yds 1 sec

The times are a fraction longer when you get out really far (80-100) because of the curved trajectory you are not really shooting 100 yards you are shooting an arc which is slightly longer than 100 yards but you get the point.

Take those times for what you will. Some may think that is not enough time to react some may think that is plenty of time for the animal to react. I think the animals state of awareness and alertness definitely should be considered when any long shots are attempted.
i think there has to be some error in the formula, i have shot targets at 100 yrds, and although i didn't time it, i know for sure it takes longer than 1 second for the arrow to get there. maybe it's the arrow slowing down at greater distances, meaning if your bow is shooting 300 fps, at 80-100 yrds it is going a heck of alot slower. either way its WAY TO FAR to be shooting at a game animal.
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I agree about the importance of being able to read an animal before you take the shot. I try to wait until they have thier head down or when they check their back trail. Or if they have thier wieght primaraly on the front legs. The ear movement can tell you where they are really looking for danger. For what it's worth these are afew things I've noticed over the last 30 years.
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